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Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby gavesako » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:39 am

I think this rightly belongs in the "Lounge" section:

Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

http://spreadtheflame.com/2012/11/chris ... igination/

:rolleye: :offtopic:
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:33 pm

That was hilarious Bhante. :mrgreen:
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:35 pm

:rolleye: indeed.
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Dan74 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:06 pm

I've seen worse. It appears to be a sincere, well-meaning and reasonably intelligent attempt. Though it does seem to make a huge leap of faith and logic at the crucial spot and proclaim Jesus to be an answer to all "issues" of Buddhism, when Buddhism gives a more cogent answer already.
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:11 pm

Dan74 wrote:I've seen worse. It appears to be a sincere, well-meaning and reasonably intelligent attempt. Though it does seem to make a huge leap of faith and logic at the crucial spot and proclaim Jesus to be an answer to all "issues" of Buddhism, when Buddhism gives a more cogent answer already.
It is neither sincere nor well-meaning; there is no genuine attempt at engagement with Buddhism in that. It is naught more-than bald-faced proselytism, but it is rather unintentionally humorous.
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby m0rl0ck » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:21 am

:jumping:

Hey its the internet, everybody has the god given right to make a fool of them selves :)
"Even if you've read the whole Canon and can remember lots of teachings; even if you can explain them in poignant ways, with lots of people to respect you; even if you build a lot of monastery buildings, or can explain inconstancy, stress, and not-self in the most detailed fashion ... The only thing that serves your own true purpose is release from suffering.

"And you'll be able to gain release from suffering only when you know the one mind."

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Alobha » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:32 am

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby plwk » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:20 am

Yes Bhante, when the kool aid runs out, there's still... Image
Bhikkhus, if you develop and make much this one thing,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.
What is it? It is recollecting the Enlightened One.
If this single thing is recollected and made much,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby polarbuddha101 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:22 am

Inevitable. :sage:
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Kusala » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:46 am

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” - Gandhi
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Homage to the Buddha
Thus indeed, is that Blessed One: He is the Holy One, fully enlightened, endowed with clear vision and virtuous conduct, sublime, the Knower of the worlds, the incomparable leader of men to be tamed, the teacher of gods and men, enlightened and blessed.

Homage to the Teachings
The Dhamma of the Blessed One is perfectly expounded; to be seen here and now; not delayed in
time; inviting one to come and see; onward leading (to Nibbana); to be known by the wise, each for himself.
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Justsit » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:37 am

Alobha wrote:Image

:mrgreen:

Well, if you ask a Christian, he isn't dead - he rose on Easter and went back to heaven.
Just sayin'...
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby James the Giant » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:33 am

This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...

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Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Dan74 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:43 am

James the Giant wrote:This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...

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Tilt, I got an impression that the writer took some time to learn basic Dhamma (though may have understood little of it). Unlike some other Christian sites I didn't see grotesque distortions and slander but what appeared to me a genuine attempt to answer Buddhist questions, as he understood them, with his Christian faith.

He probably didn't make the effort to delve into the religion he was critiquing properly, but then you hardly expect the proselytizing folks to do that, do you?
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Dhammanando » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:50 am

gavesako wrote:I think this rightly belongs in the "Lounge" section:

Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator


I should love to arrange for a meeting between this John Lambert fellow and the Baptist pastor Rev. Tip.

Rev. Tip was originally an animist and hereditary shaman of Mae Soon, the Pgaz K'Nyau village where I live. His conversion to Christianity appears to have been rather skin-deep and the man remains an animist at heart, subsuming the Gospel under animism much as John Lambert subsumes the Dhamma under Christianity.

In the Tipist christology, for example, Jesus enjoys the exalted status of guardian spirit of the Mae Soon village too-hoo tree. This is the tree on whose branches Pgaz K'Nyau hill-tribe women will nail their dried umbilical cords after giving birth to a son. This may perhaps strike Christians as a bit of a demotion from being the Divine Logos, co-eternal with the Father, etc., but Rev. Tip's having none of it. As far as he's concerned he's done the bearded farang hippy a great favour by appointing him to this exalted post.
    ...and this thought arose in the mind of the Blessed One:
    “Who lives without reverence lives miserably.”
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Kusala » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:49 am

James the Giant wrote:This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...

Image


:twothumbsup:
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Homage to the Buddha
Thus indeed, is that Blessed One: He is the Holy One, fully enlightened, endowed with clear vision and virtuous conduct, sublime, the Knower of the worlds, the incomparable leader of men to be tamed, the teacher of gods and men, enlightened and blessed.

Homage to the Teachings
The Dhamma of the Blessed One is perfectly expounded; to be seen here and now; not delayed in
time; inviting one to come and see; onward leading (to Nibbana); to be known by the wise, each for himself.
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