I think this rightly belongs in the "Lounge" section:
Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
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Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
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That was hilarious Bhante.
'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' - Jhana Sutta
Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
I've seen worse. It appears to be a sincere, well-meaning and reasonably intelligent attempt. Though it does seem to make a huge leap of faith and logic at the crucial spot and proclaim Jesus to be an answer to all "issues" of Buddhism, when Buddhism gives a more cogent answer already.
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It is neither sincere nor well-meaning; there is no genuine attempt at engagement with Buddhism in that. It is naught more-than bald-faced proselytism, but it is rather unintentionally humorous.Dan74 wrote:I've seen worse. It appears to be a sincere, well-meaning and reasonably intelligent attempt. Though it does seem to make a huge leap of faith and logic at the crucial spot and proclaim Jesus to be an answer to all "issues" of Buddhism, when Buddhism gives a more cogent answer already.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
Hey its the internet, everybody has the god given right to make a fool of them selves
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig
Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
Yes Bhante, when the kool aid runs out, there's still...
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Inevitable.
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."
"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."
"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."
Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” - Gandhi
"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "
Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
Well, if you ask a Christian, he isn't dead - he rose on Easter and went back to heaven.Alobha wrote:
Just sayin'...
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This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
James the Giant wrote:This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...
Tilt, I got an impression that the writer took some time to learn basic Dhamma (though may have understood little of it). Unlike some other Christian sites I didn't see grotesque distortions and slander but what appeared to me a genuine attempt to answer Buddhist questions, as he understood them, with his Christian faith.
He probably didn't make the effort to delve into the religion he was critiquing properly, but then you hardly expect the proselytizing folks to do that, do you?
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
I should love to arrange for a meeting between this John Lambert fellow and the Baptist pastor Rev. Tip.gavesako wrote:I think this rightly belongs in the "Lounge" section:
Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
Rev. Tip was originally an animist and hereditary shaman of Mae Soon, the Pgaz K'Nyau village where I live. His conversion to Christianity appears to have been rather skin-deep and the man remains an animist at heart, subsuming the Gospel under animism much as John Lambert subsumes the Dhamma under Christianity.
In the Tipist christology, for example, Jesus enjoys the exalted status of guardian spirit of the Mae Soon village too-hoo tree. This is the tree on whose branches Pgaz K'Nyau hill-tribe women will nail their dried umbilical cords after giving birth to a son. This may perhaps strike Christians as a bit of a demotion from being the Divine Logos, co-eternal with the Father, etc., but Rev. Tip's having none of it. As far as he's concerned he's done the bearded farang hippy a great favour by appointing him to this exalted post.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator
James the Giant wrote:This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...
"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "