Buddhism before Theravada

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby danieLion » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:14 pm

Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave

I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.

It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.

The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?
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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby Sylvester » Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:07 am

danieLion wrote:
Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave

I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.

It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.

The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?



Yes, I believe so.
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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby danieLion » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:43 am

Sylvester wrote:
danieLion wrote:
Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave

I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.

It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.

The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?



Yes, I believe so.

Then I think we're of one accord--or close enough.
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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby danieLion » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:57 am

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby Sekha » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:41 pm

danieLion wrote:"In early Buddhist mediation theory, faith," he says, "is not what's required to overcome doubt, but rather investigation" (41:07-41:23).

:thumbsup:

Unfortunately, even some very highly developed meditation teachers don't seem to have understood this. Fortunately, some others did.
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