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Newtown Shootings

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:03 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby sattva » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:42 pm

"Even as a mother protects with her life
Her child, her only child,
So with a boundless heart
Should one cherish all living beings;
Radiating kindness over the entire world,
Spreading upward to the skies,
And downward to the depths;
Outward and unbounded,
Freed from hatred and ill-will.
Whether standing or walking, seated or lying down,
Free from drowsiness,
One should sustain this recollection.
This is said to be the sublime abiding."
from the Metta Sutta

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby jonno » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:34 pm

Hi all. My first reaction was that of horror and deep sadness for the children and their families, also anger towards the perpetrator. However on reflection, for every action there is a cause however incomprehensible that may be. The killer must have felt that his actions were justified even though his thinking was twisted and insane. Although it is difficult for us to comprehend something in his mind must have driven him to carry out this heinous act. Perhaps we should be concentrating on trying to understand his mental state in order that we may be able to recognise this in others and perhaps be able to take action to Prevent this horror from occurring in the future . My thoughts and prayers go out to all concerned and I send them healing thoughts and prayers. Bless you all dear ones.

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby Ben » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:46 pm

I agree Jonno.
However, I think its well over time that Americans demanded real action.
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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:26 pm

Some more info is developing in this story . . .

Apparently the killer tried to purchase guns at a local gun dealer but was denied (he was only 20 years old). One must be at least 21 to legally purchase a pistol and pass a background check. He used his mother's guns. I agree that there needs to be stricter restrictions on who can purchase guns, but unfortunately it probably wouldn't have mattered in this case since he acquired the guns illegally.
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Postby Ben » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:43 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby Ben » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:10 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby alan » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:52 am

American culture fetishizes guns. Until we get past that, these things will continue to happen.
Just a point of fact.

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby robertk » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:27 am

I think it can happen in any country where there are guns: the shooter used a hunting rifle and they are very common in countruies like New zealand -which are extremely strict on handgun control. If it had happened in Arizona possibly one of the teachers would have had a pistol strapped on - and been able to shoot the guy early on-
Or not..Can anyone really stop tragic events.

If it isn't shooting incidents it might be a bus going off the freeway.
Or if they mandate that then an earthquake or hurricane kill even more.
In Japan a few years ago a guy killed 6 children at a school using a knife.

For the suggestion that spending resources on taking care of the mentally ill is needed to fix spree killers. How many people are estimated to have mental problems in the USA: even if the goverment committed extra billions do we trust the authorities to know who is likely to go a killing episode and should be locked up..

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby Dan74 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:18 am

While having so many guns around is not a great idea, I don't think this is the determining factor. Canadians have even more guns. In Switzerland where I am now due to their compulsory military service, there are lots of guns around too. More important is the culture, I think.
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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby ancientbuddhism » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:09 am

I imagine that China has strict gun control laws, but then there is this:



Perhaps China will enact stricter laws on culinary utensils.
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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby Reductor » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:14 am

A quick link showing the number of firearms per capita. The US is still winner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_ ... by_country

What we do have in Canada is a licensing system that requires both training and background checks of those that would wish to be licensed (and a 28 day waiting period). So, to actually be eligible to purchase a gun you have to jump through some hoops, and I think that dissuades many people making the effort.

Also, handguns are very regulated and must be registered (along with prohibited weapons, which can only be owned by a select few collectors). You need a permit just to transport one from your home to the shooting range. Yet, people are shot with those things often enough in some of our larger cities.

Additionally, the firearm licensing apparatus is country wide. So no popping over to the next province with less stringent laws on the books to buy something you can't get at home.

EDIT: thought I'd mention that there are strict laws concerning storage and access to all firearms. They must be rendered inoperable, have a trigger lock, and be stored in a room or container that is locked. If the firearm is stored near ammo, then that ammo must be locked in container that is not easily broken into.

Since I'm posting, I'd like to share this link: http://www.latimes.com/news/world/world ... 3015.story

Crazy mass-murderers, child murderers, and would-be killers abound in the world. They all seek to do the horrendous; guns are just very efficient. And for that reason they should be ardently regulated, although I do not agree with outright illegalization.

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