Bhante Vimalaramsi

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby mirco » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:02 pm

tiltbillings wrote:How, or if, you respond to criticisms of Vimalaramsi is your choice. I can see that these criticisms are difficult for you,

Yeah, that is so true. Don't like it, but it's still like that. I tend to glorification.

tiltbillings wrote:and for whatever discomfort I may causing you with this, I am sorry.

That has reached me.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:26 pm

mirco wrote:
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Vimalaramsi wrote:Even today if you go to teachers of one-pointed concentration and ask them: “How does craving arise?” Or you ask them: “What is craving?” They can’t tell you.
Where has Ven. Vimalaramsi answered these questions? I had and could not find it precisely.

Here are two from the articles section:

If one listens to the talks or reads the transcipts, one will stumble over his explanations of what craving is and how it works over and over again.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby mirco » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:10 pm

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mirco wrote:

I see nothing in this that is unique.

Good for you :-)
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Dan74 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:19 pm

Yes, most, if not all, teachers are imperfect. Even the Buddha made mistakes.

It is great to feel gratitude to the teacher who has brought the Dhamma into ones life and hard to see his faults sometimes. But if the teacher's intentions are basically good and there is some Right View, she/he can be a wonderful blessing inspite of the imperfections, I feel.

I am sorry if this is :offtopic: here, I don't know the teacher under discussion and I agree that "mine is the only way" rings alarm bells, but I hesitate to criticize.

As an aside anecdote, a fellow Buddhist Religious Ed teacher at the school I do this, is a student of a student of Geshe Micheal Roach, a Tibetan teacher who had gone off the rails some years ago. I actually had read a fair bit about it, but I never mentioned anything to her - it's all widely available and I am no judge of anyone else's practice. Instead a positive support is more useful I think...
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:25 pm

mirco wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:
mirco wrote:

I see nothing in this that is unique.

Good for you :-)

why good for me?
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Billymac29 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:49 am

As stated earlier in this thread,if Vimalaramsi's technique works for you, then by all means use it.. I was just pointing out that his outlandish remarks of other teachers, ideas, and techniques (and his nonfactual story of Bhuddaghosa) are unintellectual, untrue, and unwarranted... He could have simply stated that this was his way of interpreting the suttas and that this technique works for him and left it at that.. Instead he tried to bad mouth very respected monks and teachers and make an unsuccessful attempt to downgrade and belittle others' practices and beliefs. Doing so without a shred of evidence on top of it.. Monks are not supposed to spread false truths (especially of other good monastics), I find that this is hard for him to follow.


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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby dhammarelax » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:24 pm

Khalil Bodhi wrote:Hi All,

I have heard some criticisms of late of Bhante Vimalaramsi and would be interested in hearing why some people have an issue or issues with him. I haven't heard him personally attack any other teachers so would appreciate links to the same if possible. In addition, his techniques seem sound to me but I may be wrong. I ask because I have been experimenting with his teachings so I am personally invested in knowing all there is to know about him as a teacher. Metta.

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Hi Mike

I saw your post and although is being a while since you wrote it I think is worth answering it, me as many have been on the path for many years, some things I experienced along with some teachers are very good but as far as I have seen there is nothing out there that compares to the results that Bhante Vimalaramsis method renders, practicing one day following his advise (Brahmaviharas) I experienced all the jhanas and the cessation of feeling and perception, on one day of practice I had more progress than in my about ten year meditation practice, now I think that says it all.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:38 pm

dhammarelax wrote:
Khalil Bodhi wrote:Hi All,

I have heard some criticisms of late of Bhante Vimalaramsi and would be interested in hearing why some people have an issue or issues with him. I haven't heard him personally attack any other teachers so would appreciate links to the same if possible. In addition, his techniques seem sound to me but I may be wrong. I ask because I have been experimenting with his teachings so I am personally invested in knowing all there is to know about him as a teacher. Metta.

Mike


Hi Mike

I saw your post and although is being a while since you wrote it I think is worth answering it, me as many have been on the path for many years, some things I experienced along with some teachers are very good but as far as I have seen there is nothing out there that compares to the results that Bhante Vimalaramsis method renders, practicing one day following his advise (Brahmaviharas) I experienced all the jhanas and the cessation of feeling and perception, on one day of practice I had more progress than in my about ten year meditation practice, now I think that says it all.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby dhammarelax » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:34 pm

Hi tiltbillings

I have never spoken to Bhante Vimalaramsi but I think that I can correctly assert that the attainment is such because after some time I had again the experience of cessation of perception and feeling and this time I experienced the fruition as well, now what follows the fruition is really something that can not be mistaken, is a very happy feeling that lasts for a long period of time we are talking a few days or so and after that there is a real personality change. The hindrances still arise but they will not take control so easily they are much more manageable and I became much more calmed.

I say that what follows the fruition cannot be mistaken comparing it with the path attainment that is seeing the links of dependent origination, this links present themselves as blinks of light that can be easily mistaken for something else or for something without importance.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:04 am

dhammarelax wrote:Hi tiltbillings

I have never spoken to Bhante Vimalaramsi but I think that I can correctly assert that the attainment is such because after some time I had again the experience of cessation of perception and feeling and this time I experienced the fruition as well, now what follows the fruition is really something that can not be mistaken, is a very happy feeling that lasts for a long period of time we are talking a few days or so and after that there is a real personality change. The hindrances still arise but they will not take control so easily they are much more manageable and I became much more calmed.

I say that what follows the fruition cannot be mistaken comparing it with the path attainment that is seeing the links of dependent origination, this links present themselves as blinks of light that can be easily mistaken for something else or for something without importance.

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No doubt you attainted something.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Dhammanando » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:42 am

dhammarelax wrote:I say that what follows the fruition cannot be mistaken comparing it with the path attainment that is seeing the links of dependent origination, this links present themselves as blinks of light that can be easily mistaken for something else or for something without importance.


The links of dependent origination appear as blinks of light? Do you mean literally blinks of light, or do you mean that they resemble blinks of light in certain respects?
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:03 am

The question of the Buddha making mistakes has been moved here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=22342
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby dhammarelax » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:57 am

Dhammanando wrote:
dhammarelax wrote:I say that what follows the fruition cannot be mistaken comparing it with the path attainment that is seeing the links of dependent origination, this links present themselves as blinks of light that can be easily mistaken for something else or for something without importance.


The links of dependent origination appear as blinks of light? Do you mean literally blinks of light, or do you mean that they resemble blinks of light in certain respects?


In this case (after cessation) which is lets call it their purest form they are seen as blinks of light which I think means that literally appear as such but it doesn't mean that they are only blinks of light, they are still the links and when one of them is released you can see a strong effect, they happen fast and they happen once or more times, they are small blinks not big flashings. I had some instances in daily life that while observing the partial (not the full series) arising of dependent origination I perceived them as blinks of light without the experience of cessation coming before, in this case however the latest links eg clinging do not appear as light but for clinging as thought.

This is not the way they appear when observed in reverse order (without cessation) which is by far the practice that takes most of the practice time (four noble truths), in reverse order they appear as described eg feeling is painful pleasant or neutral.

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