Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and texts.
by danieLion » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:14 pm
Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave
I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.
It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.
The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?
"You stop me, obviously with a demand for a personal explanation. 'How is it, you write, 'that you reject with such immitigable scorn the very foundation-stones of Buddhism, and yet refer disciples enthusiastically to the technique of some of its subtlest super-structures?'
I laff."
-Aleister Crowley,
Magick Without Tears,
Chapter XXVII: Structure of Mind Based on that of Body (Haeckel and Bertrand Russell)"Questions of reality are too important to be left to the scientists."
-Paul Feyerbend,
The Tyranny of Science, p. 51 (Polity: 2012).
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by Sylvester » Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:07 am
danieLion wrote:Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave
I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.
It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.
The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?
Yes, I believe so.
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by danieLion » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:43 am
Sylvester wrote:danieLion wrote:Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave
I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.
It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.
The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?
Yes, I believe so.
Then I think we're of one accord--or close enough.
"You stop me, obviously with a demand for a personal explanation. 'How is it, you write, 'that you reject with such immitigable scorn the very foundation-stones of Buddhism, and yet refer disciples enthusiastically to the technique of some of its subtlest super-structures?'
I laff."
-Aleister Crowley,
Magick Without Tears,
Chapter XXVII: Structure of Mind Based on that of Body (Haeckel and Bertrand Russell)"Questions of reality are too important to be left to the scientists."
-Paul Feyerbend,
The Tyranny of Science, p. 51 (Polity: 2012).
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by danieLion » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:57 am
"You stop me, obviously with a demand for a personal explanation. 'How is it, you write, 'that you reject with such immitigable scorn the very foundation-stones of Buddhism, and yet refer disciples enthusiastically to the technique of some of its subtlest super-structures?'
I laff."
-Aleister Crowley,
Magick Without Tears,
Chapter XXVII: Structure of Mind Based on that of Body (Haeckel and Bertrand Russell)"Questions of reality are too important to be left to the scientists."
-Paul Feyerbend,
The Tyranny of Science, p. 51 (Polity: 2012).
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by Sekha » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:41 pm
danieLion wrote:"In early Buddhist mediation theory, faith," he says, "is not what's required to overcome doubt, but rather investigation" (41:07-41:23).
Unfortunately, even some very highly developed meditation teachers don't seem to have understood this. Fortunately, some others did.
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