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difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

Postby alan... » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:36 am

are jhana and samadhi one and the same?

jhana being absorptions and samadhi meaning "concentration" is there any time samadhi means it's own separate thing?

vipassana i believe is insight which is looking at things with the mind and developing insight into them.

samatha is calm? so a jhanic factor?

i know many of these terms are likely used for describing a progression, as in metta can be samatha but then lead into jhana and so on.

so how many types are there once you get up the ladder (ie: past the method and into a different state of consciousness?

just jhana and vipassana?

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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

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Postby IanAnd » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:21 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

Postby alan... » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:12 pm

okay could someone please give a detailed contrasting explanation between jhana and samadhi then? i'm lost.

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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

Postby daverupa » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:26 pm

Is "sammasamadhi = jhana" helpful?

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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

Postby polarbear101 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:01 pm

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

Postby polarbear101 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:49 pm

This may be a purely semantical misunderstanding. Are you implying that there is some other thing called samadhi that are not the jhanas? Because the jhanas are samadhi, they are states of samadhi and samadhi is an umbrella term that refers to the 4 jhanas, so are you saying that you leave jhana to enter some other thing called samadhi or are you saying that jhana is the cultivation of samadhi?

:anjali:
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Postby daverupa » Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:27 pm

Indeed, the '=' was precise, no arrows need apply.

The other way to talk of it would be to say that right effort, right mindfulness, and right composure were Samadhi in terms of the Path, whereupon jhana is the culmination of Samadhi and the entree into Panna. Either way, "jhana --> samadhi" doesn't seem to be borne out by the texts...

Is there any chance samadhi and samatha are being confused, here?

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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

Postby khlawng » Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:34 pm

I never said jhana--->samadhi. The words "practice of" is incorrectly omitted.

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"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

Postby SarathW » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:04 am

This is my understanding:

Buddha learned the following from his teachers:

1)Samadhi (Samatha) which help him to alleviate or suppress five hindrances through Vittaka,Vikara,Pithi,Sukaha and Ekagata.

2) Samath meditation lead Buddha to attain Rupavachara and Arupavachara Dyana (Jhana) which gave him super normal powers.

Then Buddha realise that Dyana will not help him to attain his final goal Nirvana. So he used the highest concentration achieved as above one (1) and used it inconjuction with insight. (Samatha-Vipassana) so he attained Nirvana in four stages (Sothapanna etc)

As per Abhidhamma, above stages can be divided into many types of consciousness.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.

Postby daverupa » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:55 am

My understanding is that he learned some formless attainments from his two teachers, then set that all aside in order to pursue the jhanas - the first one of which he had discovered on his own as a youth, and he was able to pursue and develop and master all four at Uruvela. Jhana was, in fact, the missing piece of the puzzle.


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