It's a distinction without a difference; practice of jhana leads to jhana, is basically what it says, which doesn't seem clear.khlawng wrote:I never said jhana--->samadhi. The words "practice of" is incorrectly omitted.
difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
Jhanas are a specific state of Samadhi (concentration, stillness) with strong awareness... Samadhi can be developed all up and down a gradient, re: momentary, access, etc but can also be developed into trance like states with no awareness. (imo) the Buddha defined right Samadhi as Jhana because they are the states that are most conducive to liberation.alan... wrote:are jhana and samadhi one and the same?
jhana being absorptions and samadhi meaning "concentration" is there any time samadhi means it's own separate thing?
Samatha is a method of meditation meant to develop Samadhi.samatha is calm? so a jhanic factor?
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
Samatha is a mental quality paired with vipassana, and this pair is to be developed. These words can be used to refer to meditations which focus on developing one quality over the other, but nevertheless, they are mutually supportive mental qualities, and bhavana which privileges one over the other is an unbalanced state of affairs which one should seek to rectify.
AN 10.71 wrote:"If a monk would wish, 'May I attain — whenever I want, without strain, without difficulty — the four jhanas that are heightened mental states, pleasant abidings in the here-&-now,' then he should be one who brings the precepts to perfection, who is committed to inner tranquillity of awareness, who does not neglect jhana, who is endowed with insight, and who frequents empty dwellings.
AN 4.94 wrote:"As for the individual who has attained both internal tranquillity of awareness & insight into phenomena through heightened discernment, his duty is to make an effort in establishing ('tuning') those very same skillful qualities to a higher degree for the ending of the (mental) fermentations.
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
This is my understanding:
Buddha learned the following from his teachers:
1)Samadhi (Samatha) which help him to alleviate or suppress five hindrances through Vittaka,Vikara,Pithi,Sukaha and Ekagata.
2) Samath meditation lead Buddha to attain Rupavachara and Arupavachara Dyana (Jhana) which gave him super normal powers.
Then Buddha realise that Dyana will not help him to attain his final goal Nirvana. So he used the highest concentration achieved as above one (1) and used it inconjuction with insight. (Samatha-Vipassana) so he attained Nirvana in four stages (Sothapanna etc)
As per Abhidhamma, above stages can be divided into many types of consciousness.
Buddha learned the following from his teachers:
1)Samadhi (Samatha) which help him to alleviate or suppress five hindrances through Vittaka,Vikara,Pithi,Sukaha and Ekagata.
2) Samath meditation lead Buddha to attain Rupavachara and Arupavachara Dyana (Jhana) which gave him super normal powers.
Then Buddha realise that Dyana will not help him to attain his final goal Nirvana. So he used the highest concentration achieved as above one (1) and used it inconjuction with insight. (Samatha-Vipassana) so he attained Nirvana in four stages (Sothapanna etc)
As per Abhidhamma, above stages can be divided into many types of consciousness.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
My understanding is that he learned some formless attainments from his two teachers, then set that all aside in order to pursue the jhanas - the first one of which he had discovered on his own as a youth, and he was able to pursue and develop and master all four at Uruvela. Jhana was, in fact, the missing piece of the puzzle.
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
this is worth reading if you're interested in a canonical understanding:
http://santipada.org/aswiftpairofmessengers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
chapter 2:
http://santipada.org/aswiftpairofmessengers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
chapter 2:
The precise denotation of samatha and vipassanā in the context of meditation can be derived from a passage quoted more fully below. Samatha is the steadying of the mind, its settling, unifying, and concentrating in samādhi. It is therefore similar in meaning to one-pointedness of mind, the most distinctive mental quality of jhāna or samādhi.4 Vipassanā is the seeing and exploring of activities. It therefore refers to wisdom in its refined mode of investigation into the nature of reality as experience.
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
Let me give it my best shot.alan... wrote:are jhana and samadhi one and the same?
jhana being absorptions and samadhi meaning "concentration" is there any time samadhi means it's own separate thing?
vipassana i believe is insight which is looking at things with the mind and developing insight into them.
samatha is calm? so a jhanic factor?
i know many of these terms are likely used for describing a progression, as in metta can be samatha but then lead into jhana and so on.
so how many types are there once you get up the ladder (ie: past the method and into a different state of consciousness?
just jhana and vipassana?
Samadhi means something like focus or concentration, although personally I prefer the translation "collectedness." It refers to a certain strength and stability of mind which can be developed through meditation.
Jhana refers to certain states of mind which have very strong Samadhi, the mind is free from the five hinderances, and various Jhanic factors are present (The exact factors depend on which Jhana you are talking about).
Samatha refers to tranquility and peace in the mind that is developed in meditation.
Vipassana refers to the quality of the mind to clearly and truly see its mental objects. It is a certain kind of mental clarity that is very important in meditation.
I hope that is a good and simple answer for you.
The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
Bakmoon wrote:Let me give it my best shot.alan... wrote:are jhana and samadhi one and the same?
jhana being absorptions and samadhi meaning "concentration" is there any time samadhi means it's own separate thing?
vipassana i believe is insight which is looking at things with the mind and developing insight into them.
samatha is calm? so a jhanic factor?
i know many of these terms are likely used for describing a progression, as in metta can be samatha but then lead into jhana and so on.
so how many types are there once you get up the ladder (ie: past the method and into a different state of consciousness?
just jhana and vipassana?
Samadhi means something like focus or concentration, although personally I prefer the translation "collectedness." It refers to a certain strength and stability of mind which can be developed through meditation.
Jhana refers to certain states of mind which have very strong Samadhi, the mind is free from the five hinderances, and various Jhanic factors are present (The exact factors depend on which Jhana you are talking about).
Samatha refers to tranquility and peace in the mind that is developed in meditation.
Vipassana refers to the quality of the mind to clearly and truly see its mental objects. It is a certain kind of mental clarity that is very important in meditation.
I hope that is a good and simple answer for you.
great thanks!
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
if you're talking about me i copied and pasted your words, nothing is omitted. copy what i wrote and hit "ctrl+f" and then paste what i wrote in the box and hit "next" it will bring you to your own words which were identical, i just did it.khlawng wrote:I never said jhana--->samadhi. The words "practice of" is incorrectly omitted.
EDIT: looking closer i see you were talking to polarbuddha or daverupa as our conversation had already ended and the omitted words you're referencing aren't even in the post i quoted but are in a later one that dave and polar talked about but did not directly quote using the quote tool thingy.
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Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
Good link if you have time to read it:
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/printguna.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/printguna.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: difference between samadhi, jhana, vipassana, samatha, etc.
"Jhana was, in fact, the missing piece of the puzzle."daverupa wrote:My understanding is that he learned some formless attainments from his two teachers, then set that all aside in order to pursue the jhanas - the first one of which he had discovered on his own as a youth, and he was able to pursue and develop and master all four at Uruvela. Jhana was, in fact, the missing piece of the puzzle.
This is the first time I heard this. Interesting.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”