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Newtown Shootings

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby Ben » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:06 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby Alex123 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:09 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:05 am

The Buddha allowed kings (governments) to have armies to defend the kingdom and deter enemies. Obviously for monastics they are not allowed to possess weapons of any kind, but in the implied references, lay people are allowed to defend themselves. It is possible to have a gun without any intention of killing, for example, for self-defense without intending to kill, such as for wounding, incapacitating the perpetrator until law enforcement arrives. And then of course there are many who have target type pistols that are designed solely for target shooting at paper targets.

Assault weapons, automatic weapons, high capacity magazine clips are another thing altogether and where some sort of limits would not be a bad idea.
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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby robertk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:12 am

I agree David , but I think the 'assault rifle is bad' refrain is a red herring. A good hunting rifle is still semi-automatic, producing roughly the same rate of fire as an assault rifle, and is more accurate than an assault rifle. Reducing the clip size merely means that the shooter will have to carry extra clips - which take only a few seconds to replace.

I listened to the speech by Obama where he said they would ensure that 'this never happens again" ; and he spoke about restricting assault rifles and making sure only the right type of people can get gun licences. In the Newtown shooting of course , the guns came from the shooters highly respectable mother - so obviously his solution wouldn't have any effect.

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:13 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:40 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby Mr Man » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:59 am

Im not sure - Is anyone trying to use the teachings of the Buddha as justification for gun ownership?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Newtown Shootings

Postby imagemarie » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:13 am

Think: Happy, at rest, may all beings be happy at heart. Whatever beings there may be, weak or strong, without exception, long, large, middling, short, subtle, blatant, seen & unseen, near & far, born & seeking birth: May all beings be happy at heart. Let no one deceive another or despise anyone anywhere, or through anger or irritation wish for another to suffer. As a mother would risk her life to protect her child, her only child, even so should one cultivate a limitless heart with regard to all beings. With good will for the entire cosmos, cultivate a limitless heart: Above, below, & all around, unobstructed, without enmity or hate. Whether standing, walking, sitting, or lying down, as long as one is alert, one should be resolved on this mindfulness. This is called a sublime abiding here & now. Not taken with views, but virtuous & consummate in vision, having subdued desire for sensual pleasures, one never again will lie in the womb.

Think. But be prepared for the unknown and hypothetical "nutjob" who might attack and threaten that which is most dear to you.
Be prepared for ALL eventualities. Establish yourself with the means to put him away.For good if necessary. You have the right to bear arms. With a limitless heart.

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