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i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

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i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

Postby alan... » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:59 am

obviously it can be included as it is mentioned in the eightfold path section in the maha satipatthana but how does it fit in with everything else? should i do vipassana sitting meditation in addition to jhana or will jhana suffice as a substitute?

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Re: i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

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Re: i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

Postby marc108 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:54 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

Postby James the Giant » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:59 pm

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

Postby James the Giant » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:18 pm

Thus have I heard:
Samatha Jhana is used to temporarily eliminate the defilements, and set up the perfect conditions for doing satipatthana.

Some people say you should first get some level of jhanic attainment and then switch to satipatthana. Eg: get to the first jhana, then start the real work of satipatthana.
Some say you just need Access Concentration, then switch to satipatthana.
Some say you just need Momentary Concentration, and pretty much blend samatha and satipatthana into a single practise.

Anyway, that's what I've been told by some monks and books.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

Postby polarbear101 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:19 pm

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Postby James the Giant » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:43 pm

@Tilt, yeah, good answer. Fair enough. :toast:
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Postby LonesomeYogurt » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:38 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

Postby Bakmoon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:01 pm

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Postby Bakmoon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:13 pm

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Re: i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

Postby James the Giant » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:57 am

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Postby Bakmoon » Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:23 am

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Postby mikenz66 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:32 pm

Discussion on Vipassana in Jhana spit to here: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=15480#p222451

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Re: i am practicing satipatthana, where does jhana fit?

Postby Bakmoon » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:28 am

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.


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