Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

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Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

Postby Tom » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:26 am


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Re: Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:33 am

they are the recorded teachings of the buddha or disciple so yes they are be definition a record of that voice and thus count as.

there is no strict definition of what a voice of another is.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

Postby Sylvester » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:42 am

Hi Charles

What do you think of AN 5.26?

There is no ATI translation but you can refer to this -

http://dharmafarer.org/wordpress/wp-con ... 6-piya.pdf

Compare that against BB's translation, where a key difference lies in BB's translation of a knotty line that reads as "he experiences inspiration" versus Piya's translation based on the Commentary (see BB's long end-note 990).

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Re: Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

Postby danieLion » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:10 am

I don't have a copy of BB's translation of the Anguttara. :cry: Which of part of Piya's translation corresponds to BB's "he experiences inspiration"?
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Re: Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

Postby Tom » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:12 am

I don't have a copy on me either right now :thinking:

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Re: Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

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Re: Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

Postby danieLion » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:45 am

Thanks for your time Sylvester. This is very helpful.

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Re: Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

Postby daverupa » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:09 pm

So does "gaining inspiration in the meaning and ...the Dhamma" designate that, whether sadha- or dhamma-nusari, that differential is specifically said to become blended in the stream-entrant?

I had this thought that the 'dvenusari' were each approaching the seeing of paticcasamuppada in one or another way (forward or reverse, arising or cessation), while the sotapanna saw the whole shebang.

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Re: Do suttas qualify as a "voice of another"?

Postby Sylvester » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:43 am

I'm not sure Dave. The 2 who have entered the course of rightness that leads to Stream Entry have not yet personally seen This-That Conditionality. I'm still studing the Pali and both translations to see how they dovetail with the Follower typologies.


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