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Postby Ben » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:54 am

Hi Dan,
Selfless service without expecting anything in return is a good exercise in countering narcissism.
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Postby Khalil Bodhi » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:54 pm

Dan,

I was just thinking something similar to this yesterday. Here in NYC where life is already ridiculously fast-paced and everyone immediately has to have the newest gadget as soon as it's released I often wonder how we can continue to keep the forces of our monolithic consumer society at bay. We spend a lot of time talking about the Buddha and the Dhamma because we read Jataka tales and adaptations of the stories in the sutta (i.e., Anathapindika, Angulimala, Devadatta) and I think that provides my son with a good grounding for confronting the narcissism that runs rampant today. Still, he is only five and as he gets older I can imagine having a harder time with this. Thank you for bringing this up and I'm interested to hear if anyone else has any thoughts on this. Mettaya.
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Postby ancientbuddhism » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:12 pm

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Postby danieLion » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:17 am

Dan74,
I think it's brilliant that you took something with no scientific validity (personality disorders) and applied it to something with credibility (civilizational behavior). It really makes the causes-and-conditions/cultural-conditioning aspects salient.

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Postby Dan74 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:17 am

Ben, this is a very good point. We go help clean around the station with the kids once a month and they sometimes help my wife with her voluntary projects but that's not enough. I do some Dhamma related voluntary work but the kids are not part of it. They are perhaps a bit young for some things but even helping the neighbours water the garden might be an idea. Certainly something to keep in mind.

Barci, can you elaborate?

Khalil, I tell my kids lots of Buddhist and Dhamma related stories. Specifically two teachings, that actions have consequences and one thing leads to another (kamma) and it is up to us how we react and deal with things (mind is the forerunner) bear repeating again and again, I found. I try to make fun stories up so that the kids enjoy them rather than boring them with tedious moralizing. Most importantly I don't want them to feel that they have to be Buddhist or to get annoyed and jaded with Buddhism.

Ancient, very good point - simple helping without an expectation of reward, without even a thought of being a do-gooder or getting the good kamma is best.

Daniel,I am not sure I get your point. Were you being sarcastic? If so,this is more of a personal discussion, not a thesis.
I wasn't expecting to be held up to any scientific or sociological standards! :)
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Postby barcsimalsi » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:53 am

I was suggesting that let them understand life is hard and unsecured to reshape their attitude as i believe good deed begins from willingness, it is much different from directing people to do charity or goodness without their willingness. But since you already taught your kids so much about the Dhamma and anyway they are still young, it all takes time.

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Postby ground » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:09 am

Hmh ... narcississts may experience the slightest frustration and disagreeable feeling as "suffering" and thus be a clientele for buddhism. Or ... to even amplify it ... isn't the wish to get rid of of an alleged "suffering" when being saturated with everything that is necessary for the support of life a kind of narcissism? :juggling:

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Postby danieLion » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:51 am

The Myth of Narcissus was intended as a moral on the dangers of self fixation in everyman, not as the basis of psychological typologies. As a tendency in all human hearts, narcissism does stand for any one personality or person.

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