Employers can fire workers they find too sexy

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The wife needs to grow up.

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Goodness.
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Postby Sambojjhanga » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:24 pm

I'm curious as to those who think that the correct decision here was made.

Do you not see the problem with the Dentist sending the employee sexually suggestive texts? Does this not somewhat indicate to you that the story that the woman who was fired was simply wearing too tight dresses and refused to stop is at least not the full story?

My point here is that when you are a so-called "job creator" and have such power over other's lives, their very income, then you must be VERY CAREFUL as to how you deal with this.

Yes, the woman shouldn't have worn too-tight dresses and the guy shouldn't have asked her if she ever orgasmed. But to cause someone to lose their income over THIS (assuming the woman's work was up to par), is really a travesty.

We are in a very serious economic downturn in this country, actually, the entire world. Good jobs are hard to come by. I think this was a terrible decision by the state Supreme Court.
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Postby yawares » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:53 pm

Dear Members,

I don't worry about the pretty girl that was fired...she can find a new good job anyday...better than get killed/hurt/confronted by jealous/crazy wife. There were doctor's wife/dentist's wife that showed up at the clinic and told a lady patient that she was the doctor's wife/dentist's wife...a true story indeed.......BELIEVE IT OR NOT !!!

Have you ever heard of the news about....[b]dentist Clara Harris guilty of murder for running her cheating husband over with a Mercedes-Benz sentenced her to 20 years in prison ???? Such a big news..dentist wife ran over her (dentist) husband!!! [/b]

Please click: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/ ... 54202.html

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Postby Hickersonia » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:48 pm

Ethically, morally, perhaps a questionable decision.

Legally, in an "at-will employment" state, it is likely that no one can argue against it.

In an "at-will" state, unless there is an explicit written contract stating otherwise, the employer can [nearly always] terminate employment for any reason, or without a reason at all, even without notice.

In this case, the employer is basically firing her for failure to adhere to dress code (if he indeed asked her to dress more appropriately).

Ultimately, as armchair philosophers, we're really in no position to judge any of this either way. All we really know is what was reported by this news article, and I'd say that it was sketchy at best. I feel bad for the "pretty lady" loosing her job, but that has nothing to do with the legality of the matter.
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Postby Annapurna » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:09 pm

I agree, Hickersonia.

I don't know what an at-will state is, but it happened in Iowa, in a dentists practice, so there must have been a proper work contract and she battled the reason for getting laid off.

Surely it is sad she lost her job...but these assistants usually change a lot, at least where I live, because many of them get married young and are stay at home moms for a while...so there is always demand.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:03 pm

Anna,

We're so far away in what concerns this subject, that it's best not even discuss it.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
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Postby Annapurna » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:18 pm

He was definitely failing them, Cittasanto, yes!

The admirable thing about him is, though, that he realized this situation would only get worse and so it had to stop.

He had 2 options:

1. Give up being a dentist, close his practice, lay ALL staff off and cause them problems and throw his own family into poverty.

2. Lay off the assistant.

He chose the option that caused harm to as few people as possible.

It wasn't perfect, it's definitely harmful to the assistant, but at least she has a husband, as well as unemployment money and will be provided for until she finds as new job.

As I read in another article, the dentist sat down holding hands with his wife and spoke about everything with her and he also spoke with his priest. I understand he is a practicing Christian and by wanting a woman in his thoughts he is breaking the commandments, -is as good as adultery. Also, of course, if his wife feels the marriage is in jeopardy, he would take her fear seriously.

What he did was the result of these all these thoughts and conversations...

Of course I don't the details....so..who knows...
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Employers can fire workers they find too sexy

Postby Ben » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:24 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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