Noticing touch

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Noticing touch

Postby purple planet » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:30 am

I started to note touch instead of breathing what do you think ?

and it started to take over my labeling and i label breathing as touch and lots of stuff as touch and also walking meditation - is it good to note mainly touch ?

another mini question - one of my problems from the start was how to label pressing a button - i know the label is onlt a tool but still fot me its very important

so how do you label pressing a button - pushing ? pressure?
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Re: Noticing touch

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:49 am

purple planet wrote:so how do you label pressing a button - pushing ? pressure?
"pressing a button" Don't over think this stuff.
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Re: Noticing touch

Postby Mr Man » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:29 am

Note the doubt and indicision?
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Re: Noticing touch

Postby Billymac29 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:31 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
purple planet wrote:so how do you label pressing a button - pushing ? pressure?
"pressing a button" Don't over think this stuff.



These are all good answers... "Pressing", or "pushing", or "pressing a button" are all fine.. As U Pandita says, keep it simple, your not looking to enhance verbal skills but to be mindful.

Note the doubt and indicision?

this is an important insight that you will find as your practice progresses... You will be able to see and note the doubt along with uncertainty, intention...etc
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Re: Noticing touch

Postby Sokehi » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:28 am

Billymac29 wrote:keep it simple, your not looking to enhance verbal skills but to be mindful.



exactly... that' why I hardly ever label, it pulls me off the experience more into conceptualizing about what the process exactly is, when it began, if could label it in a more refined way... for some that technique helps, for me it is to agitating.
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Re: Noticing touch

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:43 am

Hi Sokehi,
Sokehi wrote:
Billymac29 wrote:keep it simple, your not looking to enhance verbal skills but to be mindful.



exactly... that' why I hardly ever label, it pulls me off the experience more into conceptualizing about what the process exactly is, when it began, if could label it in a more refined way... for some that technique helps, for me it is to agitating.

Certainly if you are conceptualizing then that's not the purpose (which is completely the opposite) and it would be better to drop it.

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Re: Noticing touch

Postby Sokehi » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:05 am

yes indeed :) :anjali:

it just happens, I better not give my inner monkey any toys to think about, I'm fine with awareness of breathing.

If it comes to meditation technicques generally I'm not a big shot. I get pulled away to quickly, it's quite hard for me to stay with my metta meditation. Maybe that's why initially I felt more at home in the zen tradition and "just sitting".

Hopefully I can expand to more refined techniques one day, because certainly I understand the benefits that come from it.

Labelling worked while practicing Jongrom quite good, but if I sit I better just sit.
Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

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Re: Noticing touch

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:22 am

Hi PP,

If you have not already, I suggest you listen to at least the introductory reatreat talks by Patrick Kearney on this site:
http://www.dharmasalon.net/Audio/audio.html
[They rotate every so often, the one I've just listened to here:
http://www.dharmasalon.net/Audio/BMIMC% ... BMIMC.html
01 (AM) Introducing Mahāsī method
We look at the origins of the modern insight movement in Myanmar, and at the characteristics of Mahāsī Sayādaw’s approach to satipaṭṭhāna vipassanā (insight based on establishing mindfulness). We see how Mahāsī Sayādaw divides the meditator’s experience into “primary object” and “secondary object;” and how the three fundamental movements of the practitioner are “noting,” “naming” and “noticing.”

covers many of the issues raised in this thread.

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