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Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Postby Ben » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:08 am

Hi alan...,
I don't understand why you are so interested in Zen masters.
If Zen is not for you, then so be it.
The alleged behaviour of the long dead is of what practical value?
May I suggest you concentrate on doing what needs doing.
Develop sila! develop samadhi! develop panna!
with metta,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Postby dude » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:37 am

asking a zen person this will get a reply such as: "that's just zen. all things are one, non dual, so sleeping with women is zen, so is beating people up

Would anyone care to address this point head on? It's an ubiquitous attitude among American followers of Zen, and I've heard a lot of things in the same vein.
I could make a case for it in the light of the sutras, and I could also make a case that it's wrong.

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[b][/bThe short of it is that everything is suchness and neither inherently good nor bad, but everyone is heir to his/her karma. So if our actions are driven by selfish intention, the consequences will follow accordingly.]

I think we're pretty much on same page here. I think the viewpoint we're talking about is rooted in this principle, and it's a reasonable interpretation. My primary objection to it is along the lines of your comment on the zen blog :"Emptiness teachings which are teachings of a very high order that one has to be ready for. This is how one was traditionally taught in Chan, I believe, and monastic life still goes some way towards building up the foundation for successful practice."

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"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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