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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:47 am

Sure,

See also Bhikkhu Bodhi's note here: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=14914
which says basically the same thing.

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Sekha » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:36 am

Hi Dmytro

you are right from a certain point of view.

but there is also a drawback to this standpoint of yours as it may cause confusion.

In Pali memory and awareness are semantically related, and even confused, because these two phenomena are deeply related in the real world. Without awareness of the present moment, there cannot be memory of this present moment at a future time. And without having developed awareness of the present moment, it is impossible to remember past lives.

But English semantics is not that profound and as far as it is concerned, these two concepts are semantically disconnected. The choice of mindfulness is actually a clever one because it can work as bridge between these concepts, as in memory the mind is "filled" with the sa~n~na of a past phenomenon, and in awareness, the mind is "filled" with the sa~n~na of a present phenomenon.

Meditating is being aware of the present moment. If you use the word remembrance or memory, even if that may arguably be correct in the linguistic sense it will create confusion on the practical level. That's what a lot of people have tried to explain you already.

Should I remind you once again that someone like the Pa Auk Sayadaw, who started studying buddhism at the age of 9 and masters up to the 8th jhana as well as nearly all the insight knowledges of the visuddhimagga, who also knows English fairly, chose for the title of his book on anapanassati: "the mindfulness of breathing"? Would you persist in pretending to be more knowledgeable than him on this issue?
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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Spiny Norman » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:39 am

The approach I've found most helpful is that described by Thera Nyanaponika in The Heart of Meditation, where there is a distinction between "bare attention" ( sati ) and "clear comprehension" ( sati-sampajjana ). It seems consistent with the Satipatthana Sutta, and it also seems consistent with practice.
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