Mr Man wrote: tiltbillings wrote:
Mr Man wrote:Okay, I have a perception of a "Vipasana Movement" in the US something along the lines of the Fronsdal article that danieLion linked to. In my mind this is connected/has it's roots at IMS Barre.
And most of the IMS founders did Goenka practice and still recommend it to those who are interested.
So my perception of a/the "Vipasana Movement" in the US is accurate? It's interesting that you mention that the IMS founders still recommend Goenka. What would be more relevant would be if students of the Goenka school were recommended to do retreats at IMS or with other teachers. Or if they were encouraged to visit their local Buddhist temple, Join in communal activities.
I do not know that they don't, and when one is not on retreat, the Goenka people have no say about what you do.
Your opinion here really does not have any greater validity than mine. I'm sure that many believe that when they are being taught the sweeping technique thay are being taught vipasana, you think otherwise.
So, as a matter of clarification, you are saying that the sweeping technique is not a vipassana practice and that Goenka/U ba Khin's teachings do not fit into the general rubric of vipassana mediation.
I had understood that you wanted me to back up my earlier comments.
And the "isolation" has been explained. You seem rather obsessed with this isolation business.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80
Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.