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Re: Australia

Postby Thanavuddho » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:05 am

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Re: Australia

Postby James the Giant » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:59 am

I hope that's a monastic aquarium, not a lay-fishbowl.
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Re: Australia

Postby daverupa » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:01 pm

It looks to me to be a fishbowl of solitude, rather than a fishbowl of constant others-contact...

The first thing I thought of when I saw it, despite the bowl sizes being somewhat opposite:

"I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself, than be crowded on a velvet cushion."
~Henry David Thoreau.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: Australia

Postby Raitanator » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:09 pm

This or that, it's still a bowl.
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Re: Australia

Postby daverupa » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:32 pm

Raitanator wrote:This or that, it's still a bowl.


It's quite noteworthy, to notice how sense contact sparks papanca-sanna-sankha, isn't it?

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    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: Australia

Postby Ben » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:29 pm

daverupa wrote:
Raitanator wrote:This or that, it's still a bowl.


It's quite noteworthy, to notice how sense contact sparks papanca-sanna-sankha, isn't it?

:heart:


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Re: Australia

Postby Thanavuddho » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:05 pm

The fish is jumping from the small vehicle (hinayana) into the big vehicle (mahayana).

Only kidding. In reality the fish will hang in midair.
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Re: Australia

Postby cooran » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:14 pm

Thanavuddho wrote:The fish is jumping from the small vehicle (hinayana) into the big vehicle (mahayana).

Only kidding. In reality the fish will hang in midair.


Do not use that term on DhammaWheel.

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Re: Australia

Postby Thanavuddho » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:57 pm

My joke telling skills must be getting rusty. :thinking:

Oh, well...
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Re: Australia

Postby Hickersonia » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:18 am

Thanavuddho wrote:They put a notice up on the website about me:

http://bodhisaddha.wix.com/home

It seems a bit silly. At least it makes the matter clear.

I don't know... reminds me of a "Wanted" poster... :-/

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Re: Australia

Postby Raitanator » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:14 am

cooran wrote:Do not use that term on DhammaWheel.


What would be a better term? Nyushul Khen Rinpoche was also firm that Hinayana is a pejorative term and better term would be Root-yana. What do you think?
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Re: Australia

Postby Mr Man » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:19 am

Raitanator wrote:
cooran wrote:Do not use that term on DhammaWheel.


What would be a better term?
Theravada
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Re: Australia

Postby Raitanator » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:58 am

Mr Man wrote:
Raitanator wrote:
cooran wrote:Do not use that term on DhammaWheel.


What would be a better term?
Theravada


In tibetan buddhism there's also practices same to Theravadin, and categorized in the same way, but to call it Theravada would be misleading, don't you think?
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Re: Australia

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:39 am

Raitanator wrote:In tibetan buddhism there's also practices same to Theravadin, and categorized in the same way, but to call it Theravada would be misleading, don't you think?

All schools of Buddhism have many beliefs and practices in common but the schools are nevertheless distinct and are worth calling by their proper names.
And in general, it is polite to call people by the name they prefer. Cooran is 'Cooran' or 'Chris'. You are 'Raitanator'. I am 'Kim'. Easy, simple, polite.
Theravada is 'Theravada'. Vajrayana is 'Vajrayana'. Easy, simple, polite. Anything else carries baggage that may be unwanted.

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Re: Australia

Postby Ben » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:35 am

Please return to topic.
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Re: Australia

Postby Anagarika » Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:04 pm

Thanavuddho wrote:The fish is jumping from the small vehicle (hinayana) into the big vehicle (mahayana).

Only kidding. In reality the fish will hang in midair.


Upon first reading of your post, Bhante, I got a good laugh. Actually a pretty good joke to accompany the photo.

My sense is that you've got a good, sharp, and nuanced mind...a bit like Ajahn Chah, who I read could be quite sharp and funny. I hope you stay in robes for many vassa, and find a longterm home in Australia.

We should be able to use the perjorative 'hinayana' without everyone getting too bent out of shape. It's not like crying "shark" while ocean swimming....nothing to fear... ;)

There was a hinayana...they're gone now for many centuries. People that intentionally use 'hinayana' for 'Theravada' are confused and silly.
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Re: Australia

Postby imagemarie » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:48 pm

:goodpost:

:anjali:

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Re: Australia

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:20 pm

BuddhaSoup wrote:

There was a hinayana...they're gone now for many centuries. People that intentionally use 'hinayana' for 'Theravada' are confused and silly.
No school of Buddhism called itself hinayana -- the discarded/garbage -- vehicle. Hinayana is at its root an ugly term of derision coined by the Mahayana. The term has its place within the Mahayana, but it is not an appropriate term for describing schools of Buddhism outside the Mahayana.


As Reginald Ray states in his Indestructible Truth:

    In fact, as we shall see presently, "Hinayana" refers to a critical but strictly limited set of views, practices, and results. The pre-Mahayana historical traditions such as the Theravada are far richer, more complex, and more profound than the definition of "Hinayana" would allow. ...The tern "Hinayana" is thus a stereotype that is useful in talking about a particular stage on the Tibetan Buddhist path, but it is really not appropriate to assume that the Tibetan definition of Hinayana identifies a venerable living tradition as the Theravada or any other historical school.." Page 240.

Now that we sadly almost all missed bhante's joke, back to the topic at hand, please.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
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Re: Australia

Postby Thanavuddho » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:45 pm

BuddhaSoup wrote:I hope you stay in robes for many vassa, and find a longterm home in Australia.


Thank you. BuddhaSoup.

I'm not sure if I will settle in Australia. I'm ready to go anywhere if there's a good opportunity for me. I do like Australia so far.

Happy New Year everyone. New Year, new beginning and beginners mind

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Re: Australia

Postby pilgrim » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:18 am

I'm sorry your first teacher did not work out, but wherever you go next, I think it is more important that you continue your nissaya with a teacher until released from this dependence. I've seen a number of young monks go off too early on their own during their formative years. Very few lasted long in robes. I believe the ability to live through initial disappointments and disillusions helps one to remain in robes for the long term.
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