"we cannot know whether there really exists a ‘brain’ or a ‘body’ apart from moments of intellectual consciousness" - Jake Davis
tiltbillings wrote:He is talking about experience.
What about this, Tiltbillings?tiltbillings wrote:The point of practice is .. experience
1. Are you proposing Sariputta engaged in papanca?
2. What about entering & re-emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling. Are you saying this the same as Jesus Christ rising from the dead?When this body lacks these three qualities — vitality, heat & consciousness — it lies discarded & forsaken like a senseless log. - MN 43
3. What about this? Is Sariputta engaged in more pananca?What is the difference between one who is dead, who has completed his time, and a monk who has attained the cessation of perception & feeling?"
In the case of the one who is dead, who has completed his time, his bodily fabrications have ceased & subsided, his verbal fabrications ... his mental fabrications have ceased & subsided, his vitality is exhausted, his heat subsided, & his faculties are scattered. But in the case of a monk who has attained the cessation of perception & feeling, his bodily fabrications have ceased & subsided, his verbal fabrications ... his mental fabrications have ceased & subsided, his vitality is not exhausted, his heat has not subsided, & his faculties are exceptionally clear. This is the difference between one who is dead, who has completed his time, and a monk who has attained the cessation of perception & feeling. - MN 43
"Friend, there are these five faculties: the eye-faculty, the ear-faculty, the nose-faculty, the tongue-faculty, & the body-faculty."
"Now, these five faculties — the eye-faculty, the ear-faculty, the nose-faculty, the tongue-faculty, & the body-faculty: In dependence on what do they remain standing?"
"These five faculties — the eye-faculty, the ear-faculty, the nose-faculty, the tongue-faculty, & the body-faculty — remain standing in dependence on vitality."
"And vitality remains standing in dependence on what?"
"Vitality remains standing in dependence on heat."
"And heat remains standing in dependence on what?"
"Heat remains standing in dependence on vitality."
"I will give you analogy, for there are cases where it is through an analogy that an intelligent person understands the meaning of a statement. Suppose an oil lamp is burning. Its radiance is discerned in dependence on its flame, and its flame is discerned in dependence on its radiance. In the same way, vitality remains standing in dependence on heat, and heat remains standing in dependence on vitality. - MN 43