Theravāda in the 21st century - modern applications of ancient wisdom
by Bakmoon » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:49 am
Well, as consciousness is dependently arisen on the senses, and embryos don't even have a nervous system until the fourth week (I think that's when, if anyone knows differently please correct me), so I would suppose that prior to developing a nervous system able to engage in some sort of sense activity, the embryo doesn't have any consciousness. That's just my opinion, however.
The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
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by daverupa » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:57 pm
Bakmoon wrote:Well, as consciousness is dependently arisen on the senses, and embryos don't even have a nervous system until the fourth week (I think that's when, if anyone knows differently please correct me), so I would suppose that prior to developing a nervous system able to engage in some sort of sense activity, the embryo doesn't have any consciousness. That's just my opinion, however.
Vinnana has namarupa and sankhara as condition, and
alongside the six sense bases and an appropriate percept in range, forms the tripartite condition for contact.
"There is, headman, dhammasamādhi. If you were to obtain cittasamādhi in that, you might abandon this state of perplexity. And what, headman, is dhammasamādhi?
[kammapatha & brahmavihara, & a method of arousing gladness]"
- SN 42.13 - Pāṭaliya"Others will misapprehend according to their individual views, hold on to them tenaciously and not easily discard them; we shall not misapprehend according to individual views nor hold on to them tenaciously, but shall discard them with ease — thus effacement can be done."
- MN 8 - Sallekha Sutta
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by Sylvester » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:15 pm
The trick is to decide if the locative case employed in this-that conditionality should be interpreted to entail a temporal reading or a causative reading (that is temporally disjunct). The Chinese translators of the Agamas elected the causative...
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by DAWN » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:23 pm
There is consciosness between 0 and 1, between silence and noize, between paper and picture, between void and form, between all duality.
All fenomena "have" consciosness.
Verse 1:
Manopubbangama dhamma
manosettha manomaya
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
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by Bakmoon » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:50 pm
daverupa wrote:Bakmoon wrote:Well, as consciousness is dependently arisen on the senses, and embryos don't even have a nervous system until the fourth week (I think that's when, if anyone knows differently please correct me), so I would suppose that prior to developing a nervous system able to engage in some sort of sense activity, the embryo doesn't have any consciousness. That's just my opinion, however.
Vinnana has namarupa and sankhara as condition, and
alongside the six sense bases and an appropriate percept in range, forms the tripartite condition for contact.
I know that, but it's a lot easier to ask when an embryo has the six sense bases than it is to try to see when an embryo has namarupa and sankhara.
The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
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by SarathW » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:38 pm
Sylvester wrote:SarathW wrote:Thanks all. My queston is whether embryo can think.
For further information please refer to page 329 of the link below.
I hope this clarify my question. Can you further clarify the follwoing comments in this page
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdfThis rebirth-consciousness is regarded as pure as it is either devoid of immoral roots of lust, hatred, and delusion accompanied by moral roots.
. “Radiant is this consciousness,” (pabhassaram idam cittam) says the Buddha in
the Anguttara Nikāya vol. 1, p. 10. According to the commentator the Buddha
was thus referring to the rebirth-consciousness
Hi Sylvester
Thanks for your search. Se the page 406 of attached link for the following statement:
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This relinking-consciousness is regarded as “radiant”
(pabhassara) as it is either devoid of immoral
roots of lust, hatred and delusion (as in the case of
‘rootless resultants—ahetukavipàka), or accompanied
by moral roots (as in the case of ‘resultants with roots’).
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Please also see page 315 and 316 for death and rebirth thought moments.
I think in this case Re linking consciousness is equal to Bhava consciousness
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf
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by SarathW » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:37 am
Hi all
A link is provided by a forum member "dammafriend" in another discussion. I found that there is a wealth of information in regard to this discussion.
It appears to me that the sperm cell and the ovarim egg are mere sustenance for the "Gandhabba"
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
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