On Hell Wardens

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On Hell Wardens

Postby plwk » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:03 pm

I was in a class today on the Devaduta Sutta and the lay Dhamma teacher mentioned that in the Pali Suttas, there is no mention of the hell wardens having any specific kind of name or appearance, that the popular notions of two prominent hell wardens known as 'Ox/Cow Head' and 'Horse Face' are from the Mahayana.

Maybe, just maybe, my memory is faulty, but I think that I have read on these two descriptions from some Sutta I can't seem to recall on. Anyone? :thanks:

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Re: On Hell Wardens

Postby Dmytro » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:50 pm



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Re: On Hell Wardens

Postby plwk » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:48 pm

Thank you dmytro

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Re: On Hell Wardens

Postby Dhammanando » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:15 am


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Re: On Hell Wardens

Postby plwk » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:56 am

Thank you Bhante but not really though I have read before on those two Yamadutas from confusing Vedic lore but have not encountered the Jataka one yet. I checked out the mentioned Jataka and but except for the former's mention on dogs, there was no mention of their names.

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Re: On Hell Wardens

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Re: On Hell Wardens

Postby gavesako » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:36 pm

I think I saw them once somewhere... The green and black guy in this clip!

Homer Simpson Sells His Soul to the Devil for a Donut :popcorn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZcZ2h4Ths

(hell realms seem to be a universal archetype)
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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: On Hell Wardens

Postby plwk » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:18 pm

Thank you Bhante Dhammanando for the specs of the Jataka. Yes Bhante Gavesako, stark similarities in many cultures and caricatures :)


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