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"She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Pax » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:00 pm

Not all men are rapists... but most rapists are male.

As a female I remain cautious and guarded around males unknown to me, especially younger ones in groups.

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http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Postby manas » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:13 pm

The idea of raping anyone, is so abhorrent and distant from my mind, that my reaction is still horror and a sad, numb kind of shock, every time I hear of another report of rape.

As a man, I wanted to point out that most men would not commit this abhorrent act, even if they thought there would be no consequence. Yes there are more male sex offenders than female per se, but we must not see it as a characteristic of manhood. I would argue, it is just the opposite. Those who commit rape are not men in the true sense of the word; I would call them messed up, angry, oversized boys, (and sometimes, virtually two-legged animals), but not men.

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Postby cooran » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:33 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Mr Man » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:36 pm

Within Man there are undoubtedly strong passions. Wouldn't it be wise for all of us to remain cautious?

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Postby Annapurna » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:38 pm

Manas, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

I understand your feelings ...I can't imagine that any man in my family would rape, violence just doesn't occur. Women are beloved and respected in my family, I'd even say, *adored*, if it wasn't such a silly word, and the men are exemplary in being gentleman-like.

The mere idea they would rape is ridiculous, out of the question.

I am afraid this has made me very, very trusting and my trust was only disappointed very rarely.

Most men seem very protective of me and supportive.

But I sometimes heard terribles stories from school mates and friends.

I heard from several girls that their own fathers had raped them regularly from as early on as 14. . They told me themselves and cried.

It was a notion so alien to me I was speechless.

Several women I know got date-raped and worse.

We know what happens in wars...

Here is a study that might be sobering:

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... 4169,d.bGE
http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Postby Annapurna » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:49 pm

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:47 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:36 pm

Maybe oposition would be a better word for conveing the meaning I wanted to. I'm not an english native speaker, so these subtleties elude me sometimes.

The thing I was refering to was when Mawkish said "Just thought it was worth saying" and other members denied it was worth saying what he said.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Postby manas » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:37 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby badscooter » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:06 am

"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:58 am

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:10 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:23 am

Alright. If even men, who are sensible members in this forum, don't mind discrimination, I'm not going to say anything more (unless, of course, if I'm personaly atacked). :shrug:
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:32 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:05 am

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/


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