"She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby manas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:37 am

Anna, I do not think that any men here meant to make you feel under attack in any way. But maybe, in light of this topic being originally a tribute page for a courageous woman now deceased, that if we wish to continue any more contentious discussion - with, I hope, the aim of mutual understanding between all - that maybe a separate topic should be set up to deal with that, just a suggestion that I thought might be less stressful for you, or not... ?

However you decide, may you be well
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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:37 am

Mr Man wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:. Mawkish defending that not all men are rapists was met with intransigence.
But to keep things accurate no one has said "all men are rapists" so where is the intransigence?


Thank you, Mr Man.

Yes, no one has said all men are rapists, so if I said I did, it would be a lie.
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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Mr Man » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:51 am

Annapurna wrote:Ok, guys,

I feel unfairly attacked
.



I feel for you. I have had the same experience here.

Violence against others can have many faces.

Sometimes it's rape, and sometimes, it's distorting of what others said.

It's always violence, however subtle, but don't blame me.


Yes i agree and often the victim is left isolated or perceives it to be that way.
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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:09 am

manas wrote:Anna, I do not think that any men here meant to make you feel under attack in any way. But maybe, in light of this topic being originally a tribute page for a courageous woman now deceased, that if we wish to continue any more contentious discussion - with, I hope, the aim of mutual understanding between all - that maybe a separate topic should be set up to deal with that, just a suggestion that I thought might be less stressful for you, or not... ?

However you decide, may you be well
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Dear Manas,

thank you. ♥

Sorry, I've been crying and a little upset...

Yes, this topic was started as a tribute page.

I have started this topic.

I posted a big, huge heart of candles that took me almost forever to shape... :smile: but I wanted to devote it to her.

I can understand her so well, because it could have happened to me too.

It could happen basically, to all of us, especially the women and children.

As to your suggestion, of a new topic, I am not sure about what, but I certainly do not wish to "continue a contentious discussion", I am hurt that it developped in this way here and I am asking some members to be a bit more sensitive and read what I really said.

Many replies here were truly beautiful and heartwarming and yes. Very, very Nice. Thank you all. :heart:

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:26 am

SamKR wrote:
Mr Man wrote:Within Man there are undoubtedly strong passions. Wouldn't it be wise for all of us to remain cautious?

Yes. Men and Women all should remain cautious of others (especially Men). Why? Because my impression is that Men are more impulsive than women; I guess that has something to do with biology.
Cautious but with Metta, of course.


Yes, biology... There is this immense muscle strength in men, with which they can lift up a woman from the ground and can carry her, just like women can pick up a child and carry it.

There is this biological difference in the amount of strength and how it's used... :anjali:
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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:43 am

daverupa wrote:
Mr Man wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:. Mawkish defending that not all men are rapists was met with intransigence.
But to keep things accurate no one has said "all men are rapists" so where is the intransigence?


All men are potential rapists, probably, is the idea of note.

It may be arguable, but it's selected for via operant conditioning to be the safest way to walk through a city. Sexual dimorphism suggests that forced sex probably has a long pedigree in human history.

The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, is recommended reading.



Thank you, Daverupa. Yes...absolutely, POTENTIAL rapists, not because they all have it in them, but you never know who you meet, he could be anything, potentially.
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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:05 pm

Billymac29 wrote:
The thing I was refering to was when Mawkish said "Just thought it was worth saying" and other members denied it was worth saying what he said.

Folks... First of all it's factual data in the US ----> There are more men rapist than women by a landslide...period. Look it up if you don't believe me.. In my state of New Jersey the crime data shows over 90% of rapes were committed by males.



To suggest that one should be cautious of the 'nature of man' is plainly, simply, wrong.

No Mawkish1983 this is incorrect.. Read up on your english. "nature of man" is perfectly acceptable in the way it was used by annapurna.


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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:19 pm

Modus.Ponens wrote:
Maybe Annapurna should clarify if she meant "nature of men" or "nature of Man". From context it seems like it's the first one and that is more discrimination.


I already have, on page 2 and 3. Shows you didn't even read my posts, but pass judgements.

This is not ok.
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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Kusala » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:25 pm

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Sambojjhanga » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:44 pm

I would like to say just two things.

First, I am VERY sorry and saddened for the death of the young woman in question and the horror she went through. This thread should be closed on that note.

Secondly, the underlying discussion on the unequal power of men and women and the resultant issues SHOULD be talked about...but not in this thread.

I offer metta to all in this thread and suggest that any discussion outside this poor woman in question be held for another thread.

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Re: "She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:47 pm

Sambojjhanga wrote:I would like to say just two things.

First, I am VERY sorry and saddened for the death of the young woman in question and the horror she went through. This thread should be closed on that note.

Secondly, the underlying discussion on the unequal power of men and women and the resultant issues SHOULD be talked about...but not in this thread.

I offer metta to all in this thread and suggest that any discussion outside this poor woman in question be held for another thread.

Metta

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Well said, Sambojjhanga.
Its time this thread was closed.
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