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Pali Term: Sati

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby badscooter » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:14 pm

"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Sekha » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:05 pm

well, I think this is a point underlying this whole discussion. Accepting only textual sources as a valid source of knowledge, even on a Pali forum discussing technical Pali terms, is imo a mistake. There can be no understanding of those technical terms without direct knowledge, and the opinion of knowledgeable experts, whatever the subject of a discussion may be, is also to be taken into account and discussed, perhaps even rejected, but not simply ignored.

Otherwise the outcome is the one I pointed to a couple of my post back. Dmytro is right (or can almost arguably be considered so) if you only take into account the textual side of things. He is wrong if you consider the effect of his statement on beginners who may take that word for the truth and get confused while trying to meditate. Many people want to acquire some knowledge of Pali in order to understand the practice better, and that will most probably confuse them.

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby badscooter » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:55 pm

"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby danieLion » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:54 am

Are remembering and awareness (or their relevant synonyms) mutually in exclusive in:

-The context of the sutta pitaka?

No.

-The context of the tipitaka?

No.

-All the Pali literature?

No.

-Buddhism at large?

No.

-In reality as we know it?

No. Remembering involves awareness. Awareness involves remembering. "Choiceless awareness" doesn't necessarily imply "awareness that never chooses"; "bare attention" doesn't necessarily imply "attention with no content"; "non-judgmental" doesn't necessarily imply "completely judgment free"; "present moment awareness" doesn't necessarily imply "awareness absolutely uninfluenced by the past."

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby danieLion » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:39 pm

Dmytro,
I get the impression that even if the Buddha himself told you in person that he used sati to mean more than just remembering and that it implies awareness you'd correct him and say, "Not according to the Pali!"

Am I right?

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Dmytro » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:55 pm

Hi Daniel,

The words of the Buddha have been preserved to this day in the Pali Canon, and I am fortunate to read them and apply in practice.
In such a manner, Buddha speaks to me personally.
His teaching is unbelieavably powerful when sincerely and exactly followed.
I am sharing his teaching to the best of my ability.

Since your questions have little to do with what I said, I take them as rhetorical ones.
And I hope the discussion will return to the Pali term.

Best wishes, Dmytro


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