Did the Buddha Know Pali?

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Did the Buddha Know Pali?

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Did the Buddha know Pali?

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Re: Did the Buddha Know Pali?

Postby polarbear101 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:29 am

There have been quite a few threads about this. From what I've gathered the Buddha did not speak Pali, rather he spoke some number of dialects very similar to pali and those dialects were brought together and became pali during the memorization and compilation of the suttas.
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Re: Did the Buddha Know Pali?

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Did the Buddha Know Pali?

Postby daverupa » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:47 pm

The concordance between the Gandhari texts, the Chinese texts, the available Sanskrit texts, and the Pali texts is quite encouraging as well, with respect to preservation of the heartwood. This doesn't apply to very much of the different Vinayas, however, and it applies not at all to the differing Abhidhammas. The "Canon", as a term, blurs all this.

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Re: Did the Buddha Know Pali?

Postby Kamran » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:21 am

I understand that there was no writing system during the Buddha's time, and that the Canon has so many contradictions that it looks like ideas from the time that it was finally put in writing may have made their way into the Canon.
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Re: Did the Buddha Know Pali?

Postby Way~Farer » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:54 am

There was a good article published in Tricycle last year, At the time I was enrolled in Buddhist Studies at an Australian university, and the article was distributed by the Pali scholar there, who is quite well-regarded, so I think it is a pretty good analysis of the current state of knowledge of this question.

Beware, however, that the search for 'the real Buddhism' or 'the authentic Buddhism' can also be a bit of a trap in its own right. I think the intention behind the teaching always was for those who hear it, to simply practice it and observe it to the best of their ability.

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Re: Did the Buddha Know Pali?

Postby Mr Man » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:00 am

I'm not sure if the Buddha spoke pali but is it really relevant? Our own languages have changed and our ways of interpreting language have changed. Meanings evolve, develop and degrade as they move through time. The ability to interpret a passage of language from over 2000 years ago, as it was interpreted at that time is no longer possible. The tool has changed. But is an "authentic" rendering of the Buddha's teaching as an accurate historical document that important to practitioners? If the fruit tastes sweet.

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