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jhana pre buddhist, hinduism today and so on.

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jhana pre buddhist, hinduism today and so on.

Postby alan... » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:09 am

so in buddhism we practice jhana with a clear intention in mind to regard them as nothing more than tools to see into reality.

however in hinduism i believe this is not the case. i have never found much consistency in hindu meditation teachings and have usually found them to be vague. this is because it is frequently a guru to student kind of thing as opposed to a systematized book learned practice. however assuming jhana is a universal state that arises for everyone when conditions are right it would be logical to assume that this is what yogis in hinduism experience as well but that they equate it with god instead of attempting to see it as mundane.

i imagine if i had fallen into hinduism instead of buddhism and a guru taught me to access the first jhana and said that that blissful state was accessing the mind of god i would heartily agree with him/her after reaching it as it feels more wonderful than anything else on earth.

i read an article about pre buddhist jhana but it doesn't specify whether or not this practice continued into hinduism or if it did, how it was/is regarded. at least not that i saw, i skimmed some and did a couple of ctrl+f word searches for words like "hinduism", "vedas" and so on. it talks about a group called "Parama-diṭṭhadhamma-nibbānavāda" or perhaps this is a person? i'm not clear on that and a web search was fruitless. does anyone know more of the details on this or have any opinions?

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Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby manas » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:08 am

Hi alan,

the following sutta, as far as instructions go, might be a bit beyond where you are at presently. (I reckon it's beyond me, for now). But I offer it to inspire you, that jhana *can* be a platform from which one can see the end of dukkha, and how blissful it must be to see that:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Metta :anjali:
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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