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anapanasati sutta both vipassana and jhana?

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anapanasati sutta both vipassana and jhana?

Postby alan... » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:14 pm

this sutta includes insight techniques and also exposition of jhana and deep concentration. so it seems to use both techniques. i imagine one could just practice jhana with it and not insight or one could ignore the jhana stuff and just use it to enter access and do insight.

so as of right now i'm learning jhana and am wondering how to combine it with insight as jhana alone leads no where. if i practice this sutta then my meditation practice is complete, right?



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Re: anapanasati sutta both vipassana and jhana?

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:45 pm

what happened to practising the satipatthana sutta?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: anapanasati sutta both vipassana and jhana?

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:13 pm

stick with it both on and off. use the anapanasati to help in specific areas (particularly the 2,3,4th tetrads) but stick with the one sutta for the time being as your main practice. the Satipatthana sutta is more than enough to work on with an eye on practice for the time being.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: anapanasati sutta both vipassana and jhana?

Postby marc108 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:19 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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