Nisidati pallankam abhujitva ujum kayam panidhaya...

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Nisidati pallankam abhujitva ujum kayam panidhaya...

Postby alan... » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:57 am

Nisidati pallankam abhujitva ujum kayam panidhaya parimukham satim upatthapetva so satova assasati sato passasati

"sits down, having folded his legs crosswise, set his body erect and established mindfulness in front of him."

my main question here is which word(s) are "folded his legs crosswise"? do they definitively translate as "lotus pose" or could this just be instruction to sit with legs folded inward?

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Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:57 am

pallankam = cross-legged; which does not appear to mention the lotus specific style of sitting cross-legged. In other references to meditation and mindfulness other postures are mentioned such as standing, walking, lying down; which shows that mindfulness can / should be done in all positions, so lotus is not required.
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Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:27 am

Pallaṅkaṃ means a sofa; a coach; a cross-legged sitting.
It is simply referring to a sturdy sitting posture, not any particular pose one may try to force themselves into.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:16 pm

Here is the dictionary definition of each word in-order
nisidati = he sits
pallankam = cross-legged
abhujitva = having bent
ujum = straight
kayam = the body
panidhaya = having applied
parimukham = before him
satim = mindfulness
upatthapetva = having established


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Dmytro » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:36 am

Hi Alan,

The Commentary eclucidates this:

Nisidati pallankam abhujitva ujum kayam panidhaya parimukham satim upatthapetva so satova assasati sato passasati = "Sits down, bends in his legs crosswise on his lap, keeps is body erect, and arouses mindfulness in the object of meditation, namely, the breath which is in front of him. Mindful he breathes in, and mindful he breathes out."

"Bends in his legs crosswise on his lap." Three things pertaining to the sitting posture of the yogi are pointed out by that: firmness of the posture; easefulness of breathing due to the posture; and the expediency of the posture for laying hold of the subject of meditation.

One sits in this posture having locked in the legs. It is the entirely thigh-bound sitting posture, and is known as the lotus, and the immovable posture too.

"Keeps his body erect." Keeps the vertebrae in such a position that every segment of the backbone is said to be placed upright, and end to end throughout. The body, waist upwards, is held straight.

"Arouses mindfulness in front." Fixes the attention by directing it towards the breath which is in front.

"Mindful he breathes in and mindful he breathes out." Breathes in and out without abandoning mindfulness.

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Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:07 pm

Thanks for that, Dmytro; that is interesting. So would you say lotus is required based on that Commentary? Or just recommended? Other postures are mentioned in the Satipatthana Sutta.

I know of only one school, the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas (form of Chinese-Mahayana Buddhism) that requires full lotus. They insist that their monastics sit in full lotus or if they can't, to work diligently toward that.
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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:20 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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