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Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

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Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby danieLion » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:08 am



Anyone else seen this? Is this Bullshit bullshit?

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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby Ben » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:40 am

Thanks for that, Daniel.
A comedy piece based on Chinese propaganda.
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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:56 am

P&T: BS is a great show, but like all episodes, this one obviously deals in exaggerations and caricatures rather than concrete facts. That being said, there is a lot to criticize about feudal Tibet before Chinese rule; how much the Dalai Lama had to do with that, however, is up for debate.

It's a contentious issue with multiple sides, so feel free to laugh at their sacred cow-slaying but don't take it too seriously.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby Mr Man » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:03 am

As LonesomeYogurt mentioned the above clip "deals in exaggerations and caricatures". it is political satire. But are they just repeating Chinese government's crappola? Is it based on Chinese propaganda? And if it were influenced by Chinese propaganda is Chinese propaganda more nefarious than say US propaganda?

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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby Mr Man » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:02 am

Okay, but are they just repeating chinese government propaganda?

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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby Anagarika » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:30 pm

Penn is a self-described anarcho-capitalist, Ayn Rand devotee, and sits on the board of the Cato Institute, an organization founded by the infamous Koch brothers. He disputes the science of climate change, and named one of his children 'Moxie Crimefighter." My diagnosis: possible douchebag.

Michael Parenti, featured in the video, is in part an apologist for communism, suggesting that he and Jillette may share an affinity for Communist regimes like the PRC.

Aside from my snarky take on this video, it's factually incorrect. It seems a load of the same bullshit that the Penn/Teller program suggests it is revealing. I don't mind a well founded critique of HHDL, or of any public person, so long as it is fair. This segment is deserving of ridicule, but I guess I'm not surprised that it came of out the same ideology that supports the Koch brothers.

What's good for Tibet is not good for China, and the billions that the Koch brothers earn from their businesses. "Smooch!" That's the sound of Jillette planting a big one on David Koch's butt.

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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby Raitanator » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:59 pm

In addition to communist propaganda, it seems like there's new kadampa propaganda, too, added to the soup. Well, basically, some cults that have separated themselves from rest of tibetan buddhism use these same arguments.

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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby Mr Man » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:53 pm

Thanks for the info BuddhaSoup. It puts a different twist on the motivation.

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P and t Sucked in by long discredited Chinese propaganda.

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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby santa100 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:04 pm

They forgot to add a bunch more weights onto the Chinese Communist pan to account for the sudden spike of Tibetan's self-immolations. Bet you it would completely crumble their Good/Bad scale..

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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby Anagarika » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:04 am

Tilt, I can say I have not noticed until today the Irish at the foot of your post. Excellent! Go raibh maith agat! I spent the best summer and autumn of my life as a student in Dublin.

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Re: Penn & Teller's Bullshit: the Dalai Lama

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:36 am

I would appreciate it if we could remain on-topic.
Thanks

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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