The Ego

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The Ego

Postby Śūnyatā » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:21 pm

In your own words, how would you define "the ego" (sakkaya-ditthi)?

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Re: The Ego

Postby gendun » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:49 pm

A couple of points..it may not be useful to translate sakkya-ditthi as "ego".
There is a risk of confusion with western psychoanalytic models.
Secondly it might be useful to think of sakkya-ditthi not as a noun , not as a thing, but as a verb..an action.
Specifically as an act of identification with the kandhas/skandhas.
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Re: The Ego

Postby rachmiel » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:04 pm

Ego: The web of interactive mind-based reflexes acquired from pre-lifetime (nature) and lifetime (nurture) experiences that, together, generate a sense of individual persistent identity.

Or: A bit of undigested beef.

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Re: The Ego

Postby m0rl0ck » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:13 pm

I would define it as an imaginary construct invented by western psychology. Freud, for gods sake, seriously?
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Re: The Ego

Postby rachmiel » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:19 pm

> I would define it as an imaginary construct invented by western psychology.

An imaginary construct with a (faux) life of its own!

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Re: The Ego

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:41 pm

Śūnyatā wrote:In your own words, how would you define "the ego" (sakkaya-ditthi)?

Gratefully yours,
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Re: The Ego

Postby Śūnyatā » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:34 am

rachmiel wrote:Or: A bit of undigested beef.

I love this analogy! Is this why self-view can give you a bad case of heartburn? :)
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Re: The Ego

Postby Jason » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:17 am

I tend to view our ego or sense of self as the product of a mental process that arises due to the presence of clinging (upadana) in the mind with regard to the five aggregates, a process that acts as a condition for the birth (jati) of the conceit 'I am,' the self-identification that designates a being (satta).
"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" (AN 7.58).

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