General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
by alan » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:44 am
Keep in mind that there is no Buddhist Theology, and never is it suggested that you must believe a certain way.
The Buddha taught to his listeners, and gave them appropriate responses. I think Thanissaro is dong his best to get through to the people he is teaching. That's his job, right?
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by danieLion » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:46 am
Billymac29, Twelph,
Reverend Thanissaro is contradicting himself, but I don't mind. He's human; he changes his mind; he gets confused at times.
Plus, his beef with "the meditation is about whatever comes up" is not with the "whatever comes up" part; it's with "the meditation is about" part.
"You stop me, obviously with a demand for a personal explanation. 'How is it, you write, 'that you reject with such immitigable scorn the very foundation-stones of Buddhism, and yet refer disciples enthusiastically to the technique of some of its subtlest super-structures?'
I laff."
-Aleister Crowley,
Magick Without Tears,
Chapter XXVII: Structure of Mind Based on that of Body (Haeckel and Bertrand Russell)"Questions of reality are too important to be left to the scientists."
-Paul Feyerbend,
The Tyranny of Science, p. 51 (Polity: 2012).
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by danieLion » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:56 am
daverupa wrote:manas wrote:with regard to the last two angas (samma-sati, and samma-samadhi) why do we bicker so much?
This is a good question.
Probably, (Western) Buddhist people sink a lot of their hope for the future in sammasatisamadhi, and to feel that one's samma is maybe a little miccha can be frightening and worrisome.
It can also be stimulating and inspiring. The first time I heard a Rev T. talk I thought, "What a f*cking asshole!" I'm not embellishing. About three months later, I'm mucking around in thte "mindfulness practice" methods, feeling stale and full of doubt. I recollected my strong aversion to the Rev. T. and thought, "maybe he's just the slap in the face I need."
He was.
"You stop me, obviously with a demand for a personal explanation. 'How is it, you write, 'that you reject with such immitigable scorn the very foundation-stones of Buddhism, and yet refer disciples enthusiastically to the technique of some of its subtlest super-structures?'
I laff."
-Aleister Crowley,
Magick Without Tears,
Chapter XXVII: Structure of Mind Based on that of Body (Haeckel and Bertrand Russell)"Questions of reality are too important to be left to the scientists."
-Paul Feyerbend,
The Tyranny of Science, p. 51 (Polity: 2012).
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by danieLion » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:01 am
alan wrote:Keep in mind that there is no Buddhist Theology, and never is it suggested that you must believe a certain way.
The Buddha taught to his listeners, and gave them appropriate responses. I think Thanissaro is dong his best to get through to the people he is teaching. That's his job, right?
Yes, especially as a teacher of teachers. Andrea Fella, e.g., teaches "mindfulness practice" (Mahasi style) but still calls Rev. T one of her teachers. I seriously doubt she's not aware of his critiques in
RM.
"You stop me, obviously with a demand for a personal explanation. 'How is it, you write, 'that you reject with such immitigable scorn the very foundation-stones of Buddhism, and yet refer disciples enthusiastically to the technique of some of its subtlest super-structures?'
I laff."
-Aleister Crowley,
Magick Without Tears,
Chapter XXVII: Structure of Mind Based on that of Body (Haeckel and Bertrand Russell)"Questions of reality are too important to be left to the scientists."
-Paul Feyerbend,
The Tyranny of Science, p. 51 (Polity: 2012).
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by twelph » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:41 pm
danieLion wrote:alan wrote:Keep in mind that there is no Buddhist Theology, and never is it suggested that you must believe a certain way.
The Buddha taught to his listeners, and gave them appropriate responses. I think Thanissaro is dong his best to get through to the people he is teaching. That's his job, right?
Yes, especially as a teacher of teachers. Andrea Fella, e.g., teaches "mindfulness practice" (Mahasi style) but still calls Rev. T one of her teachers. I seriously doubt she's not aware of his critiques in
RM.
Having been to one of her retreats, she mainly teaches using the style of Sayadaw U Tejaniya lately.
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by danieLion » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:01 am
twelph wrote:danieLion wrote:alan wrote:Keep in mind that there is no Buddhist Theology, and never is it suggested that you must believe a certain way.
The Buddha taught to his listeners, and gave them appropriate responses. I think Thanissaro is dong his best to get through to the people he is teaching. That's his job, right?
Yes, especially as a teacher of teachers. Andrea Fella, e.g., teaches "mindfulness practice" (Mahasi style) but still calls Rev. T one of her teachers. I seriously doubt she's not aware of his critiques in
RM.
Having been to one of her retreats, she mainly teaches using the style of Sayadaw U Tejaniya lately.
No she doesn't. She consistently teaches, as she says over and over, a combination of methods from all her teachers. Plus, Reverend Tejaniya is likely very influenced by Mahasi.
"You stop me, obviously with a demand for a personal explanation. 'How is it, you write, 'that you reject with such immitigable scorn the very foundation-stones of Buddhism, and yet refer disciples enthusiastically to the technique of some of its subtlest super-structures?'
I laff."
-Aleister Crowley,
Magick Without Tears,
Chapter XXVII: Structure of Mind Based on that of Body (Haeckel and Bertrand Russell)"Questions of reality are too important to be left to the scientists."
-Paul Feyerbend,
The Tyranny of Science, p. 51 (Polity: 2012).
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