The causes for wisdom

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Perhaps I am wrong, but isn't one of the issues that separated Theravada from other early schools of Buddhism the idea that there exists a conventional person i.e the difference between conventional and ultimate reality? I am sure I heard somewhere that other early schools did not share this idea. Perhaps someone with better knowledge can comment because I can't remember where I heard this.

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Yes the puggalavadins believed in a real conventional self

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Greetings Coyote,

I suspect you're talking about the Pudgalavādins...

http://www.iep.utm.edu/pudgalav/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The causes for wisdom

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yes that is right and so we can use conventional terms. As it says:

DN 9, Potthapada Sutta:‘....these are merely names, expressions, turns of speech, designations in common use in the world, which the Tathagata uses without misapprehending them,’


occasionally though Buddhists use terms like 'self' , 'him' and 'they' as if they have some subtle existence rather than being mere designations. That is why I thought it was useful to bring out what is really happening in a long process like starting a topic.

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: The causes for wisdom

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."


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