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Man with no brain

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Man with no brain

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Postby gavesako » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:01 pm

If some children with hydranencephaly are conscious, then the brain does not require an intact cerebral cortex to produce consciousness. Still, research on hydranencephaly and Roger's case study indicate that self-awareness—this ostensibly sophisticated and unique cognitive process layered on consciousness—might be more universal than we realized. The insular cortex, anterior cingulate cortex and medial prefrontal cortex cannot by themselves account for conscious recognition of oneself as a thinking being. Instead they propose that self-awareness is a far more diffuse cognitive process, relying on many parts of the brain, including regions not located in the cerebral cortex.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... mple-brain


What if the brain and nervous system relate to consciousness like the TV set to radio signals? Let's call this the nonlocal model of consciousness. If we accept the nonlocal model of consciousness provisionally, we can compare TV reception to sense perception. We can compare qualia (conscious experience) to TV images and sounds; we can compare memories to the recording function, thoughts to the playback and edit functions, and mental chatter to audiovisual noise. Furthermore, if the nervous system/brain functions as receiver/modulator of consciousness rather than its producer, it follows that consciousness is not based on the brain, but that the brain is based on consciousness. There are a number of theoretical considerations and phenomena that point in this direction. These phenomena show the limits of the current mainstream (materialistic) understanding of consciousness and provide theoretical support for the nonlocal model of consciousness.
http://www.thebigview.com/mind/nonlocal.html


"We don't know how consciousness works, or what it does," says controversial biologist, Rupert Sheldrake. "This is one of the things which in science is called 'the hard problem,' because there is no known reason why we should be conscious at all, or exactly how the mind works."

"What I'm going to suggest," says Sheldrake, in a fascinating Google TechTalk, "is that our minds are field-like, that they are not confined to the inside of the head, that they spread out into the environment around us. And because our minds are extended beyond our brains, they can have effects at a distance."

"I'm suggesting, he says "that minds are field-like and spread out beyond brains in a similar way to the way that magnetic fields spread out beyond magnets, cell phone fields spread out beyond cell phones, and the Earth's gravitational field stretches out far beyond the Earth. These fields are within and around the systems that they organize, and I think the same is true of our brains."

Taking vision as an example, Sheldrake suggests that the mind is more than just the bio-chemical processes within the brain, that what we 'see' is not just an internal re-creation of an externality within the brain, but rather that the mind projects what we 'see' out to where it 'exists' in space-time.
http://spiritualnotreligious.blogspot.c ... -mind.html
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Postby Dan74 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:45 pm

I have read a fair bit on this case and the findings are disputed. The imaging technology was not what it is today and unfortunately we don't have unequivocal findings that one can function normally with only a tiny percentage of the brain as Lorber's study indicates.

But I like the fact that he was a maths honors student!
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Postby Alex123 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:40 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Man with no brain

Postby barcsimalsi » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:44 am

I would like to relate this topic to Buddhist philosophy as much as possible.

It appears to me that "Cittena niyate loko"(world is mind made) is under the shade of the physical component of the brain.
Bottom line, we can't afford to attain right view and we might also lose insights due to flawed or incomplete physical formation of the brain.

Let say if a Sotapanna has screwed part of his memory and intellect after an accident, he can't recall much of the dhammic right view and his mind is more likely to think like a putujana. Will his kammic status of "stream-entry" degrade?(In regards to the phrase "Cittena niyate loko")

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Re: Man with no brain

Postby gavesako » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:57 am

Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: Man with no brain

Postby barcsimalsi » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:12 pm

Thanks Gavesako, i got your point. Mindfulness established save the day, and this explain why all crazy people are less mindful.

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Re: Man with no brain

Postby gavesako » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:47 pm

"When we lose mindfulness for one minute, we are crazy for one minute." - Ajahn Chah
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Postby danieLion » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:13 am

Missed you Ñāṇa. Where ya' been--if you don't mind?

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Re: Man with no brain

Postby Nyana » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:31 pm

I've been around.... :smile:

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Postby m0rl0ck » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:59 pm

His handle slips my mind at the moment, but im pretty sure that no brain guy is a regular poster here.

So if man is made in the image of god, does this mean god has no brain?

Ok, wait a minute, does this mean god is posting here?
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Man with no brain

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"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Man with no brain has a brain

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