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No morality in opposing abortion

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No morality in opposing abortion

Postby Mr Man » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:05 pm

"Let me be direct. When you say you are against abortion because it's sinful, it's not your morality talking, it's your misogyny.

In other words, you're not driven by compassion, but by a hate for women who you think stray from the "good girl" norms."


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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:01 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby manas » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:17 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby SDC » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:27 am

Manas, Mr Man's entire post, aside from the link, is actually a quote from the article. Maybe you know that, but just in case you didn't see the end quotes.

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby cooran » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:40 am

Having worked for many years as a government employee in maternity wards, antenatal clinics, birth suites as a counsellor, I often found difficulty in working with what is legal in this country (Australia) and keeping the Precepts. I found the best way was to provide a patient requesting abortion information with information on abortion clinics, foster care, and adoption without showing a preference or an antipathy towards any of the options. The decision was then theirs to make. It is legal in this country to have an abortion under 20 weeks gestation.

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:42 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby Mr Man » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:21 am

I thought the article was interesting for a couple of reason - I think morality and authority + there relationship are interesting subjects for consideration. I also thought it was interesting because it was from a Thai newspaper.

The opening two sentences are thought provoking and almost provocative.

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby Sokehi » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:33 pm

An abortion is none of my business as long as it's not my baby. If it ain't my baby it's not me who is in the right position to judge.


I'd suggest that's the best solution to this "debate".
Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko


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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby plwk » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:44 pm

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:15 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:08 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby SDC » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:47 pm

What are you two talking about? :shrug: :tongue:

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby manas » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:56 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby Mr Man » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:01 pm

Slightly related - just came accross this "Australia PM Julia Gillard prompts 'misogyny' definition update"

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Re: No morality in opposing abortion

Postby manas » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:11 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."


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