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Self-cherishing

Postby Folia » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:55 am

Hello Buddha community

I have heard about the subject of self-cherishing. If the community can help, my questions are:

If other people disagree with my opinions or disagree with people I respect, such as gurus I love, what are methods that can be used to be free from self-cherishing?

Self-cherishing can be very strong. Therefore, I am interested of hearing about many techniques that can be used to be free from self-cherishing.

Thank you

Folia :heart:

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Re: Self-cherishing

Postby SarathW » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:46 am

Hi Folia
Self is the main frame of our existence. Only Arahant are fully eliminate the self belief. In Buddhism this topic is discussed with many ways.
This is how I tackle my self-cherishing.

- I try to remind me the teaching of Anatta. That is everything around us are aggregates and there is no person as such.
- Mana – one of the ten fetters. The thought that I am higher, lower or equal to someone. I see every person as different.
- Practice Brahma Vihara – Metta,Karuna,Muditha
- Meditaion
- Remind me the three factors of existence – impermanence, unsatisfactoryness, No self
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Re: Self-cherishing

Postby perkele » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:08 am

See that your "self" is good. Then it's not a problem to cherish that.
Two ideas:
1) correct your mistakes - keep an eye on what's going wrong in you and try to correct that. Then you can feel good about that. When you notice you behaved silly, apologize if it seems to make sense. When others behave silly as well, then still, it's good to try that, try to keep that attitude at least that it would be good to apologize if possible.
2) look at it from a different angle - really, since "self" is not real, you can look at it from gazillions of angles, so look for some angles where you can see something good and foster that. So if you can find a more tolerant angle to look at such situations as described for example, then develop that. That's something you can rightfully cherish then.
Things like that will be good to lead you along for getting rid of "self" in the end I think. But you don't get rid of self until you are an arahat. So don't look for instant solutions.

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Re: Self-cherishing

Postby SarathW » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:13 pm

Hi Folia
Please read the attahce link from chapter 15. Then open this thread and say what you think about it.
Metta
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http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf
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Re: Self-cherishing

Postby SDC » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:08 pm

The "self" cannot being fully controlled, so therefore it is not "yours".

What is being cherished is the idea of a self at its best. We cherish the idea of what we wish we always could be. We do not cherish the idea of a self at its worst. Self "at its worst" is often not considered self at all. However we cannot always choose which one to be. For something so uncertain and unpredictable, how cannot it be declared as "mine"? This is something good to focus on - You have this idea that you cherish, yet how often does that idea actually come to reality? And if and when it does, why does it not stay forever? According to the Buddha - because it is not under your control and it is not yours.

Cherish the good that you are capable of, just try not to cherish the idea of "you" that is doing it.

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Re: Self-cherishing

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Mindfulness of death :sage:

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Re: Self-cherishing

Postby SarathW » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:41 pm

Hi
Thank you for making an attempt to read the link I gave you. Yes it is not easy to read or understand what Buddha taught. I spent year reading and meditation, but I still scratch the surface.
If you are not a Buddhist please follow your religion. Please only remember that Buddha has taught some thing little bit more. To me it is just as the difference between the Olympic winner and the runner up. But it is still a huge achievement.

That's one small step for a man, a giant leap for mankind!

Once you understand Buddhism you will realise that none of above analogies not enough to convey the true meaning or value of Buddha’s teaching
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”


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