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Hostility to Ananda

Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and texts.
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Re: Hostility to Ananda

Postby beeblebrox » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:21 pm

Hi everyone,

This thread is interesting. I shared a poem that seems to be on this a while ago, . At the time, I thought that it was quite fresh, and insightful on Ko Un's part, but apparently not. I wasn't aware that this issue has been deeply studied by different traditions already.

The attitude towards Ananda, especially what's been shared in this thread, is a bit disturbing for me... not to mention what seems like a kind of nitpicking (more than likely it's just my perception) by the arahants. This doesn't seem to be in spirit of the liberation.

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Re: Hostility to Ananda

Postby Sekha » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:41 pm

It is most probably the kamma which is inherent to the task of being a Buddha's attendant.
Where knowledge ends, religion begins. - B. Disraeli

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Re: Hostility to Ananda

Postby Digity » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:08 am

Why is hostility towards Ananda even an issue? Even the Buddha experienced hostility from others and he was the Buddha! I think any negative qualities Ananda had were far out weighted by his positive qualities. One of the things I loved about Ananda is that he was imperfect. It made him much more human.

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Re: Hostility to Ananda

Postby beeblebrox » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:10 pm

Hi Digity, this seems to be an issue because of its relation to the ordination of bhikkhunis.

Also, the issue of whether some people actually hated the Buddha, such as Devadatta, I think is also an important one. From my own understanding (or perception) that kind of questioning would be considered absurd in orthodox circles.

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Re: Hostility to Ananda

Postby Coyote » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:53 pm

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
Iti 26

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Re: Hostility to Ananda

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Re: Hostility to Ananda

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Re: Hostility to Ananda

Postby Zom » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:29 pm

I think everything was fine with Venerable Kassapa. In some passages we see even Buddha using harsh words. So - speaking harsh words doesn't always mean that a speaker has some kind of aversion or whatever.

Good sutta to keep in mind on this occasion:

[3] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, but unendearing & disagreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html :reading:

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