depending origination birth and death

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depending origination birth and death

Postby Gena1480 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:45 pm

after looking at the sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
birth is a condition for death
do i understand this correctly
one must first born in some existence
then this condition being born in next life
give a condition of dying in this life.
can this be understood this way.
metta
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Re: depending origination birth and death

Postby Bakmoon » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:47 pm

Gena1480 wrote:after looking at the sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
birth is a condition for death
do i understand this correctly
one must first born in some existence
then this condition being born in next life
give a condition of dying in this life.
can this be understood this way.
metta


Close. It means that the only reason why you are able to die is that you were born. If you were never born, then you can't die.
The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
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Re: depending origination birth and death

Postby Spiny Norman » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:48 am

Gena1480 wrote:after looking at the sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
birth is a condition for death
do i understand this correctly
one must first born in some existence
then this condition being born in next life
give a condition of dying in this life.
can this be understood this way.
metta


Yes, the relevant section of SN 12.2 is below. Basically there is the process of becoming, which leads to a cycle of birth and therefore to a cycle of death.

"Now what is aging and death? Whatever aging, decrepitude, brokenness, graying, wrinkling, decline of life-force, weakening of the faculties of the various beings in this or that group of beings, that is called aging. Whatever deceasing, passing away, breaking up, disappearance, dying, death, completion of time, break up of the aggregates, casting off of the body, interruption in the life faculty of the various beings in this or that group of beings, that is called death.
"And what is birth? Whatever birth, taking birth, descent, coming-to-be, coming-forth, appearance of aggregates, & acquisition of [sense] media of the various beings in this or that group of beings, that is called birth.
"And what is becoming? These three are becomings: sensual becoming, form becoming, & formless becoming. This is called becoming.
Well, oi dunno...
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Re: depending origination birth and death

Postby SDC » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:58 pm

Gena1480 wrote:after looking at the sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
birth is a condition for death
do i understand this correctly
one must first born in some existence
then this condition being born in next life
give a condition of dying in this life.
can this be understood this way.
metta


If you are interested in the “non-traditional” interpretation of the PS…

Bhava (being), which is the idea that “I am”, leads to an analysis of the past of “I” which is seen to have started at birth (jāti) and then an analysis of the future of “I” which is seen to end in death (jarā-maraṇa).

So it is due to this idea that “I am” that prompts an investigation of the boundaries of “I’s” existence. In other words, there is birth and death only because there is this idea that “I” is existing. If the idea that “I am” is eliminated from the experience, than there is no birth and no death.
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