sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

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sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby alan... » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:37 am

are there any that give more detailed instruction? how to begin, maintain, rise to the next, etc.?

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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby daverupa » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:56 am

More detailed instruction than what?
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]

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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:19 pm

daverupa wrote:More detailed instruction than what?
Than the suttas with the least detail and with middling detail.
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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:23 pm

Greetings,

I like this...

MN 44: Culavedalla Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby SDC » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:47 pm

The seven factors of awakening (satta bojjhaṅgā) get into detail - SN 46.3 is a good one. Here is a good talk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZgaDj0YN9s

Beware of becoming obsessed with attaining jhāna, you run the risk of wasting a lot of precious time. From what I have been taught, it is something that will occur with relative ease through proper development. Do not forget about everything the Buddha teaches before samādhi. Just my 2 cents.
Hitvā icchañ ca lobhañ ca, yattha satto puthujjano,
cakkhumā patipajjeyya tareyya narakam imam.

Forsaking desire and lust where the commoner is stuck
Let the man with eyes proceed and get across this hell. (Sn. 706: 137)

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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby alan... » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:28 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

I like this...

MN 44: Culavedalla Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Metta,
Retro. :)

perhaps I did not read it carefully enough but I only see a very small section on Jhana practice. Am i missing something?

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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby Dmytro » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:58 pm

Hi Alan,

alan... wrote:are there any that give more detailed instruction? how to begin, maintain, rise to the next, etc.?


Jhana practice is a multifaceted activity.

If you'll take one by one the criteria from the Anapanasati sutta (say, how calm is the body, etc.) or Satipatthana sutta (e.g. whether the mind is spacious - "mahaggata" or constricted), insert them into the framework of Dvedhavitakka sutta instead of two kinds of thinking, comprehend the right effort through redirection of attention described in Bhikkhunupassaya sutta and Ahara sutta, and consult Gavi sutta on moving to the next jhana, - you'll have a solid roadmap.

Note that Ven. Thanissaro's "theme" is his rendering of Pali "nimitta".

Best wishes, Dmytro

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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby daverupa » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:13 pm



Link fixed; the translator's introduction probably misunderstands pasadaniya nimitta.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]

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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby alan... » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:17 pm

Dmytro wrote:Hi Alan,

alan... wrote:are there any that give more detailed instruction? how to begin, maintain, rise to the next, etc.?


Jhana practice is a multifaceted activity.

If you'll take one by one the criteria from the Anapanasati sutta (say, how calm is the body, etc.) or Satipatthana sutta (e.g. whether the mind is spacious - "mahaggata" or constricted), insert them into the framework of Dvedhavitakka sutta instead of two kinds of thinking, comprehend the right effort through redirection of attention described in Bhikkhunupassaya sutta and Ahara sutta, and consult Gavi sutta on moving to the next jhana, - you'll have a solid roadmap.

Note that Ven. Thanissaro's "theme" is his rendering of Pali "nimitta".

Best wishes, Dmytro


thanks much!

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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby Dmytro » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:31 am

alan... wrote:thanks much!


You are welcome! Each sutta, for example Tapussa, takes a somewhat different perspective on jhana, and you get a multidimensional image as a result.

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Re: sutta(s) with most detail on jhana practice?

Postby alan... » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:35 am

Dmytro wrote:
alan... wrote:thanks much!


You are welcome! Each sutta, for example Tapussa, takes a somewhat different perspective on jhana, and you get a multidimensional image as a result.


cool, i'm reading them now.


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