bahiya sutta in relation to taoism mind mirror

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bahiya sutta in relation to taoism mind mirror

Postby alan... » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:52 am

obviously it's already in my signature but i'll repost it here:

"Do not hanker for fame. Do not make plans. Do not try to do things. Do not try to master knowledge. Hold what is but do not hold it to be anything. Work with all that comes from heaven, but do not seek to hold it. Just be empty. The perfect man's heart is like a mirror. It does not search after things. It does not look for things. It does not seek knowledge, just responds. As a result he can handle everything and is not harmed by anything." -Chuang Tzu

so this is a taoist quote. the idea is found in zen and probably other traditions as well. does it fit in theravada or not? does the advice to bahiya sound like this?:

"Then, Bāhiya, you should train yourself thus: In reference to the seen, there will be only the seen. In reference to the heard, only the heard. In reference to the sensed, only the sensed. In reference to the cognized, only the cognized. That is how you should train yourself. When for you there will be only the seen in reference to the seen, only the heard in reference to the heard, only the sensed in reference to the sensed, only the cognized in reference to the cognized, then, Bāhiya, there is no you in connection with that. When there is no you in connection with that, there is no you there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder nor between the two. This, just this, is the end of stress."

-Ud 1.10

"Bāhiya Sutta: Bāhiya" (Ud 1.10), translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to Insight, 3 September 2012, . Retrieved on 28 January 2013.

that leads to an even more intriguing question: was lao tzu a paccekabuddha ? i have found other quotes that could fall right in with the pali canon in the chuang tzu. i'll post them tonight.
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Postby alan... » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:27 pm

"...they view life as a grotesque tumour, a swelling they inhabit. they view death as the removal of this growth. since they see life like this, they simply do not consider whether death or birth comes first..."

"one who does not exist in self sees others as they really are."

"having no self, he does not see himself having belongings!"

-chuang tzu

kind of interesting. overall taoism is different from buddhism, just thought it was interesting how close the two are at moments.

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Postby Dan74 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:25 pm

I think daverupa points to the fact that Tao Te Ching and Taoism are quite different things. At least popular Taoism is full of all sorts of things that seem entirely foreign not just to Buddhadhamma but to Tao Te Ching itself, which is a classic and well worth studying, IMO.

As for whether it is compatible with Theravada, I think rather than asking it might be better to investigate for oneself what it is really saying - some of it is far from obvious. xabir's comment is really good and shows that a fair bit of research and exploration may be needed to tease out the true meaning of these teachings.
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