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keep the breath or let it go?

The cultivation of calm or tranquility and the development of concentration
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keep the breath or let it go?

Postby alan... » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:07 am

so if you meditate using anapanasati to access concentration and see the nimitta do you drop the breath and make the nimitta your new object of meditation? or keep the breath?

further, should you do a different combination such as once you see the nimitta you drop the breath and focus on a pleasant sensation only, ignoring both the nimitta and the breath, or focus on the pleasant sensation but keep the breath? or focus on all three, just two or what?

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Re: keep the breath or let it go?

Postby theY » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:47 am

Hi alan.

Keep your feeling on your breath at your tip of nose. Another things are information, aren't concentrical things.

You keep your eyes on the road, when you are driver. But you also know about your phone ring, songs, or another else.
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Re: keep the breath or let it go?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:52 pm

From my understanding of Leigh Brasington's teachings on (sutta) jhanas, you focus on the pleasant sensation and it will create a feedback loop effect until you can feel rapture and pleasure. Then you try to spread these sensations throughout the body. But you can focus on the pleasant sensation with the help of the breath. Just as in the anapanasati sutta it says that you breathe in sensitive to the entire body, you can use the trick of breathing in sensitive to the pleasant sensation, breathing out sensitive to the pleasant sensation in order to not lose the breath. It becomes like the bass, or drums in a rock music in the sense that it's not the main theme of concentration, but it marks the rithm and qualities of the meditation.

I hope I'm not butchering Leigh Brasigton's teachings.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: keep the breath or let it go?

Postby marc108 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:15 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: keep the breath or let it go?

Postby marc108 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:05 am

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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