Alex123 wrote: makarasilapin wrote:
Uilium wrote:People always ask what goes to the next life if there is no-self. Why is it that we need to seperate samsara(your mental contiunum or each persons ongoing experience) because the process of death & birth happens? T
i'm not sure what it is you're asking. can you reformulate your question?
careful not to mistake "no-self" with "not-self". the Buddha never taught that there is no self, he taught that nothing is yours and that fabrications of self are useful until the final letting go.
You are right about "no/not" distinction. Furthermore, it is important to be totally clear what Atman (as 5th Century BC Indians understood it
The way Atman is defined is different from even wrong Christian idea of a soul, nothing to say about empiric and transitory "self".
I don't think that anyone in western world believes in some sort of a Self that never changes, is totally happy and has cartoonish type of control "let me grow wings and fly to pluto
" [after which it occurs].
I think that we need to be careful and find out exactly what Atta means as 5th Century BC Indian metaphysicians understood it.
The Buddha actually rather explicitly said that all doctrines of self cause dukkha.
"Monks, you would do well to cling to that clinging to a doctrine of self, clinging to which there would not arise sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, & despair. But do you see a clinging to a doctrine of self, clinging to which there would not arise sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, & despair?"
"Very good, monks. I, too, do not envision a clinging to a doctrine of self, clinging to which there would not arise sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, & despair.
Whether made of form or formless, finite or infinite, composed of the 5 khandas, encompassing them, being apart from them, being mortal or immortal all self-view must be abandoned; for "I am" is an imagining, a construing, a cancer, an arrow, without abandoning the conceit "I am" one cannot put an end to suffering and stress, pain, lamentation, grief and despair, birth, aging, illness, and death.
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."
"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."