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No believing in God is not such a good idea.

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Postby manas » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:02 pm

While any theistic religion is beset by it's own set of delusions, the ones that worship a warlike sky-god who *created* the Earth, don't appear to show much respect for this planet. But a religion in which the Earth *IS* the goddess herself incarnate, might convince it's adherents not to rape, pillage, pollute, and strip-mine the living daylights out of this planet, in the way our patriarchal religions have overseen.
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Postby manas » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:41 am

Of course cultures who revered the earth as a goddess were not perfect, and also fought wars, and some sacrificed animals or humans, etc. The difference is in the care and respect given to this planet itself. In that respect, cultures with patriarchal religions get a big 'fail' by way of comparison. Not content to just sacrifice one creature, our culture seems hell-bent on sacrificing the entire biosphere on the altar of corporate greed.
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Postby waterchan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:39 pm

There are extremists on both sides of the god fence, and there always will be.

Buddhism is unique not only in that it's somewhat atheistic, but also because it's very difficult to misconstrue a scriptural verse as promoting murder, slavery, rape, or any form of violence, whereas in monotheistic scriptures it's fairly easy to do so.
quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Postby Kusala » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:32 am

"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." - Jean Rostand
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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "

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“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Postby alan » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:45 am

Has there ever been a bigger pollution to rational understanding than the mindless belief in a God?

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Postby polarbear101 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:42 am

From an inconstruable beginning comes argumentation. A beginning point to these arguments cannot be discerned, though beings hindered by views and fettered by argumentativeness argue on. What do you think friends: which is the greater, the frustration accumulated while debating and arguing this long, long time-or the words in the english dictionary?

As we understand the parody writ by the festive one- this is the greater: the frustration accumulated while debating and arguing this long, long time- not the words in the english dictionary.

Excellent friends. Excellent. It is excellent that you thus understood the parody writ by the festive one.

This is the greater: the frustration accumulated while debating and arguing this long, long time-not the words in the english dictionary.

Long have you argued and lost a premise, a conclusion, logical integrity, a view position, your mind. Long enough to become disenchanted with all arguments (about the usefulness or destructiveness of religions that do not accurately reflect reality).

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Good article to read in this topic:

http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh216.pdf

it says:
We have already talked about the common ground that Buddhism has with some forms of
theism in urging the validity of moral and spiritual values and of a transcendent reality
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: No believing in God is not such a good idea.

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.


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