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Mind is made up of thought-moments... so what? - Dhamma Wheel

Mind is made up of thought-moments... so what?

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Mind is made up of thought-moments... so what?

Postby waterchan » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:59 pm

I understand that according to the Dhamma the mind is not permanent, but quantized as a series of discrete thought-moments which constantly arise and cease.

My question is, what practical benefits does this knowledge bring during meditation and in lay life? Whether the mind is one long continuum or a series of discrete thought-moments, I still remember what I had for dinner last night all the same. So what is the practical benefit?

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Postby Ben » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:02 pm

Developing an awareness of the characteristic of anicca in all dhammas through vipassana bhavana.
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Re: Mind is made up of thought-moments... so what?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:17 pm

On remembering what you had for dinner last night, if you're aware of that thought-process in detail, you will be able to stop the link between feeling and craving, that would otherwise make you feel hungry — although you're really not — and therefore waste money on buying more food that you do not need, and which only causes you health problems.

Of course, theoretical knowledge is not the same as practical insight, but nevertheless it may be a helpful tool to make you pay more careful attention to your own thought processes. Knowing that the volitional part of the thought process is called javana, is only of academic interest, but seeing how javana impels people to run around like a headless chicken to buy headless chickens, may be of great value.
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby reflection » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:24 pm

It's not really about being practical or not. If you feel it is more practical to leave this aside for now, feel free to do so. Sometimes it's more useful to see things like that for a while.

But it's about how the world works. If the mind is made of moments, this means there is no thing that should really be called mind. It's even wrong to say it is made up of moments,because there is nothing made up. And if we see that, we can let go of this idea called a 'self'. That's not really about being practical or not. Same as asking, what's practical about the sky being blue? Nothing really, it just is.

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You see a stream of water flowing from a tap and it appears as a solid constant stream; a solid, substantial thing.

You tighten the tap and the stream becomes drops of water. It loses its appearance as something solid. It's insubstantiality (anatta) nature becomes apparent.

Similarly with thoughts. By seeing the arising and passing of thoughts, one loses identification with ones thoughts. It is an automatic thing.
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