Help with Vipassana Mediation

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Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby pinkpadma » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:59 pm

Ive tried it out once before and was very satisfied with the sensations and feelings it gave me but now its just ineffective...am i doing it wrong ?
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Re: Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby daverupa » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:01 pm

You haven't actually said what you do...
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby lojong1 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:03 pm

pinkpadma wrote:Ive tried it out once before and was very satisfied with the sensations and feelings it gave me but now its just ineffective...am i doing it wrong ?

As long as you see clearly that you are not satisfied, then seeing clearly is probably still quite effective.
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Re: Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby James the Giant » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:18 am

pinkpadma wrote:Ive tried it out once before and was very satisfied with the sensations and feelings it gave me but now its just ineffective...am i doing it wrong ?

Yes, you are doing it wrong.
The words "very satisfied with the sensations and feelings it gave me" give a strong indication that you've got the wrong approach.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
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Re: Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby pinkpadma » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:10 pm

lojong1 wrote:
pinkpadma wrote:Ive tried it out once before and was very satisfied with the sensations and feelings it gave me but now its just ineffective...am i doing it wrong ?

As long as you see clearly that you are not satisfied, then seeing clearly is probably still quite effective.


ok, thats a good thing. im very good at mental noting...but i dont feel like its leading me anywhere....impermanence seems like something outside of myself that i only understand intellectually instead of intuitively. any advice ?

when i get into posture and begin noting the rising and falling of the abdomen i am overwhelmed by sensations of my head being cramped and tight. Are the mental formations causing blockage in my etheric system ? ( i dont necessarily believe in the etheric system but thats seems like the only explanation, sorry if i deviated from traditional Buddhist views)
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Re: Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby lojong1 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:25 am

Without knowing whose instruction you are following and where you want to be led, help is tough. You haven't done a retreat of any kind...
I wonder what would happen if you just simply sat wakefully following no instruction for 1 day, with minimal movement.
I think this would leave you with a better idea of where your current habits are already leading you and what you might like to change.
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Re: Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby pinkpadma » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:56 am

I just feel like no one has ever experienced or addressed my form of dukkha. :thinking: i think my problem lies somewhere within dependent origination but im not sure. i wont stop striving.
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Re: Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby daverupa » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:20 am

I wonder if the tension in the head is muscle tension related to focusing on the abdomen and the breath exclusively, else it may be due to the tongue being tensed somewhere in the mouth, pressing to the hard or soft palate with excessive force for example. Try experiencing the whole body whilst breathing, including the tongue and the abdomen...
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: Help with Vipassana Mediation

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:38 pm

Moderator note: Stay on topic, and if there is a compaint about what is being posted, use the "report" function.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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