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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby gendun » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:24 pm

I hardly think that the struggle that women have mounted to be seen as autominous functioning citizens in their own right, able to choose their own roles and life styles and vocations, amounts to " conventions "..
What are the growing numbers of Gay and Lesbian Buddhists to make of these injunctions ?
I'll tell you what they make of them..they join a Mahayana Sangha is what.
If this really represents the position that the Theravada is seriously proposing to import into the west then it is doomed to remain a small self enclosed cult. Like the Shakers or Mennonites.
Maybe thats OK with you.
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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:39 pm

If you want to practice the Dhamma as taught by the Lord Buddha you are free to do so. If you choose to practice your own beliefs you are free to do so. Just be clear about what you're doing.
To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:47 pm

This is what I would say Gendun:

If you want to practice the Dhamma as taught by the Lord Buddha you are free to do so. If you choose to practice your own beliefs you are free to do so. Just be clear about what you're doing.
To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
-Dhp. 183

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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby gendun » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:53 pm

But the socio/political position of gay and lesbian Buddhists..or single parent Buddhists, or Buddhists married to non Buddhists are not covered by the Buddha's injunctions Khalil Bodhi.
So in regard to these specifics social mores in relationship terms.... neither conventional interpretations of Dhamma nor subjective ideas are of use.
These lifestyle variations are evolving as we speak.there is no precedent.
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Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:56 pm

Now you're talking about something completely different. My statement was in relation to the OP. When considering things which were not proscribed or described by the Buddha I always find it useful to refer to the 4 Great Standardss:
To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
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Postby Sokehi » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:44 am

Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby gendun » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:57 am

I have no such intention. The Theravada is as it is.
When I first joined this forum I made my reasons clear.
I was one of a number of students of my teacher to whom it was suggested that we attend a 10 day Vipassana retreat. Having done so I realised that in fact I knew little of the Theravada, so I joined this forum to redress that balance.

I wish you all well and thank you for the instruction . I now know a lot more about the Theravada.
And I think I have had a tiny glimpse of the Theravada mind set.


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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby yawares » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:31 pm

Dear Shaunc,

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I truly appreciate your kind words...and a song for you/your wife:

One Good Woman : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok2Jyjtm698

yawares :anjali: :thanks:

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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby pegembara » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:16 pm

Sorry for hijacking this thread but I just couldn't resist posting this story. :sage:

4 WIVES

Once upon a time there was a rich King who had four wives. (What's new? MEN!!)

He loved the 4th wife the most, as she was Beautiful, and adored
her with rich robes, perfumes and treated her to the finest of
delicacies. He gave her nothing but the best.

He also loved the 3rd wife very much and was always showing her off to neighboring kingdoms. However, he feared that one day she would leave him for another.

He also loved his 2nd wife. She was his confidant and was always
kind, considerate and patient with him. Whenever the King faced a problem, which is ever so often, he could confide in her, and she would help him get through the difficult times.

The King's 1st wife was a very loyal partner and had made great
contributions in maintaining his wealth and kingdom. However, he did not love the first wife. Although she loved him deeply,
he hardly took notice of her!

One day, the King fell ill and he knew his time was short. He thought of his luxurious life and wondered, I now have four wives with me,
but when I die, I'll be all alone."

Thus, he asked the 4th wife , "I loved you the most, endowed you with the finest clothing and showered great care over you. Now that I'm
dying, will you follow me and keep me company?"

"No way!", replied the 4th wife, and she walked away without another word.

Her answer cut like a sharp knife right into his heart.

The sad King then asked the 3rd wife, "I loved you all my life. Now that I'm dying, will you follow me and keep me company?"

"No!", replied the 3rd wife. "Life is too good! When you die,
I'm going to remarry!"
His heart sank and turned cold.

He then asked the 2nd wife, "I have always turned to you for help and you've always been there for me.

When I die, will you follow me and keep me company?"

"I'm sorry, I can't help you out this time!", replied the 2nd wife.
"At the very most, I can only walk with you to your grave."
Her answer struck him like a bolt of lightning, and the King
was devastated.

Then a voice called out: "I'll go with you. I'll follow you no
matter where you go."

The King looked up, and there was his first wife. She looked hagged, old and neglected (as most first wives do lah!). Greatly
grieved, fearful and finally repentent (much too late lor!), the King said, "I should have taken much better care of
you when I had the chance!"

In truth, we all have the 4 wives in our lives:

Our 4th wife is our body. No matter how much time and effort we lavish in making it look beautiful, it will leave us when we die.

Our 3rd wife is our possessions, status and wealth. When we die, it will all go to others.

Our 2nd wife is our family and friends. No matter how much they have been there for us, the furthest they can stay by us is up to the grave.

And our 1st wife is our Kamma. Often neglected in pursuit of wealth,
power and pleasures of the world. However, our Kamma
is the only thing that will follow us wherever we go.

Take good care of Kamma now, for it is the only thing that will follow us and continue with us throughout samsara. It is our inheritance, our constant companion and the force which makes us BECOME beings over and over again.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby yawares » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:14 pm

Dear Pegembara,

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I truly..truly love your '4 Wives' story that I copied/posted at my SD/JTN Dhamma groups(and I do hope that you don't mind)...Thank you very much :anjali:

Love the story! :heart:
yawares

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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby pegembara » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:34 am

:anjali:
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby Maitri » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:17 pm

"Upon a heap of rubbish in the road-side ditch blooms a lotus, fragrant and pleasing.
Even so, on the rubbish heap of blinded mortals the disciple of the Supremely Enlightened One shines resplendent in wisdom." Dhammapada: Pupphavagga


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Re: Sujata: The Seven Types Of Wives

Postby Maitri » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:19 pm

"Upon a heap of rubbish in the road-side ditch blooms a lotus, fragrant and pleasing.
Even so, on the rubbish heap of blinded mortals the disciple of the Supremely Enlightened One shines resplendent in wisdom." Dhammapada: Pupphavagga



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