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Does the meaning of bhava depend on context?
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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby gavesako » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:59 pm

That is not difficult to see: kama (sensual desires) --> sensual becoming (mainly preoccupied with the alluring "strands of sensuality" through the five senses); rupa-raga (passion for refined forms) --> form becoming (on the level of jhana or the deva realms); arupa-raga (passion for formless states) --> formless becoming (the formless spheres).
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Re: Becoming

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To be continued, porpoise. Heading to the hill country to slay some dragons in the monster storm that is about to clobber the east coast of the US. In other words, I'm going skiing. I look forward to continuing this discussion.

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Re: Becoming

Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:00 am

Looking at MN9, SN12.2 and AN32, bhava is described as a process of becoming in the 3 realms.

Is there anything in the suttas that directly supports the alternative idea of bhava as self-view?
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