My Compassion makes me Hate

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Greetings Chris,

Whatever I did see got around the copyright aspect by doing a fresh translation.

I assume it's Nanamoli's translation rather than the original Pali of Buddhaghosa which is copyrighted.

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Hello Retro,

This is on Robert's site (above):

The Path of Purification Translated from the Pali by Bhikkhu Nanamoli
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. Note:The BPS have very generously given permission for these chapters (the first 90 pages) to be placed on this website. PLEASE support Buddhist publishers and purchase this invaluable source of wisdom.


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A little bit of a different angle on this, but I often think that the reflection on ownership of kamma, recommended as a remedy of getting rid of resentment, is beyond me - there is always a lot of spitefulness buried not so deeply below the surface of that reflection. "He is the owner of his kamma" etc becomes "he's gonna get it good!" which is not what it should be about, that's just exercising more ill-will.a

If I understand correctly, Buddhist compassion, true compassion, cannot be accompanied by aversion or any other negative, unpleasant mental feeling, at least according to Abhidhamma. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) So I think Buddhist compassion is not as "easy" as a more conventional understanding of compassion.

Sorry if that's off topic.

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Greetings Phil,

I feel the same. I would get no pleasure from a "Ha! You'll get what's coming" approach.

Rather, I feel compassion (which is good) and sometimes pity for them (which is not so good).

Still working on it. Thanks for sharing.

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Dear Craig,

In my small experience, this compassion for those who cause harm is more of an experience than a thought or pattern of thinking. Or I'd call it a habit pattern. The compassion arises or it doesn't. Like you get a belly ache after a big meal or you don't. For as long as it doesn't arise, there's practical things you can do, like I mentioned in my previous post. For example when I watched those crime shows, the experience of compassion was spontaneous and there was no thought proceeding it that I'm aware of. It was the subtle thought hiding somewhere in my mind that due to this action, much further suffering would come about. But that's often in the back of my mind, maybe because I seem to attract difficult people on a regular basis? So compassion was the result while I was receiving that information.

Another thing is that I had this experience once where a client who I really cared about murdered someone. That's a whole other story. But it really brought it to a personal level and I had no choice but to face this issue.

Have you ever done metta meditation? It's an interesting experience :)

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Drolma
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