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Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

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Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby philosopher » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:49 am

Hi,

Is there a quote attributed to the Buddha that's something like, "You are your own refuge, for who else could be?" I was just wondering if that exact phrasing is correct. I have seen several quotes about "being one's own refuge," but was trying to remember the wording of this one in particular.

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:02 am

Sadhu, bhante!

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby Bonsai Doug » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:21 pm

Now having obtained a precious human body,
I do not have the luxury of remaining on a distracted path.

~ Tibetan Book of the Dead

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby lojong1 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:32 pm

Also attadipa sutta : http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .wlsh.html
""Monks, be islands unto yourselves, be your own refuge, having no other; let the Dhamma be an island and a refuge to you, having no other."

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:39 pm

Great sutta. That one also goes on to say how one should practice for that refuge...

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby Kamran » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:59 am

Gombrich in "What the Buddha Thought" thinks this is a rebuke of "taking refuge in the Buddha". A warning against devotion and glorification of the Buddha after his death.
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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby polarbear101 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:30 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby ground » Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:27 am

Whatever you are taking refuge to your refuge is your own idea of refuge. So it boils down to "You are your own refuge..." :sage:

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby pegembara » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:13 pm

"You are your own refuge..."
"You are your own heaven..."
"You are your own hell..."

So the only truly reliable refuge is the Dhamma.

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby kirk5a » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:25 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby philosopher » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:18 am

Bhikkhu Pesala and others,

Thank you for the explanation.

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Re: Exact quote: "You are your own refuge..."

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:25 pm

...Which is why I find it pointless to learn Pali, in order to 'appreciate the teachings more' and be able to understand them more profoundly.... If educate scholarly types are at odds, imagine a total inept like me getting their head round it. :rolleye:

No, I will just stick with what I read in English; accept there may be variations according to which translation I read, and glean the best possible lesson I can from it. :reading:


I have too much negative kamma to transform and eliminate, to worry about a lamp or an Island....
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