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Hey

Jc - i'll look into getting my hands on a copy


Mike - Thanks for the links



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The best things in life aren't things.


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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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:goodpost:
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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"Udayi, it’s from me, who recollect, one birth, two births,... recollect the manifold previous births with all modes and details, that this question about the beginning should have been asked. I could have convinced your mind answering a question about the beginning. Udayi, with the purified heavenly eye beyond human, I see beings disappearing and appearing in unexalted and exalted states, beautiful and ugly, in good and bad states--- I know beings according to their actions. The question about the beginning should have been asked from me. I could have convinced your mind answering that question. Yet Udayi, let alone the beginning and let alone the end, I will teach you, when this is, this comes to be: when this arise, this arises. When this is not present, this is not, and when this cease, this ceases."
_M. 79

Buddhadasa was very conservative in his teaching but problem is actually we have a pseudo-heretics flooding.
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and please, note also: "Udayi, it’s from me, who recollect, one birth, two births...

From ME!!!

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Postby cooran » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:08 am

Hello zerotime, Tilt,

Can you tell me please - in which verse in in MN 79 "The Shorter Discourse to Sakuludayin" does your quoted text appear?

I am having difficulty finding exactly where the Buddha has said this.

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Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:35 am

The "this arises..." stuff is at the end of Paragraph 7 of the Nanamoli/Bodhi translation (Page 655). The rest of the paragraph seems to have been translated differently. The quote seems to be from here:
http://awake.kiev.ua/dhamma/tipitaka/2S ... yi-e1.html

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Postby cooran » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:51 am

Hello Mike,

Yes - they are using translations from Sister Upalavanna which is significantly different to the trusted translation by Bhikkhu Bodhi - which reads as follows:
MN 79 verse 7
"Udayin, if someone should recollect his manifold past lives, that is, one birth, two births....thus, with their aspects and particulars, should he recollect his manifold past lives, then either he might ask me a question about the past or I might ask him a question about the past, and he might satisfy my mind with his answer to my question or I might satisfy his mind with my answer to his question. If someone with the divine eye, which is purified and surpasses the human, would see beings passing away and reappearing, inferior and superior, fair and ugly, fortunate and unfortunate...and understand how beings pass on according to their actions, then either he might ask me a question about the future or I might ask him a question about the future, and he might satisfy my mind with his answer to my question or I might satisfy his mind with my answer to his question. But let be the past, Udayin, let be the future. I shall teach you the Dhamma: When this exists, that comes to be; with the arising of this, that arises. When this does not exist, that does not come to be; with the cessation of this,that ceases."

With due respect, to obviate falling into misunderstanding ... of the two translators .... I'd go with Bhikkhu Bodhi everytime.

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Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:56 am

that seems like almost a totally different text to me...

Ven Dhammanado has posted about Sister Upalavanna's translations being shoddy before, anyone know why? is she not working from the pali or what?
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---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Postby Ben » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:11 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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