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How do monks shave?

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How do monks shave?

Postby Coyote » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:49 am

I am guessing they don't use electric razors, and I seem to remember they are not allowed to use mirrors. So how do they shave (head and face)? And how often? Is it required?

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Ben » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:16 pm

you don't need a razor to shave
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby James the Giant » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:04 pm

One of the basic items of a monk's kit (the Requisites) is a razor. The monks I know have Schick or Gillette three-bladed normal manual shaving razors, and shave their heads once every two weeks.
That's in the western Thai Forest Tradition.
But I don't know about the mirror thing. I never thought of that.
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you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:08 pm

To paraphrase the great Sheldon Copper, "well groomed monks meet in pairs and shave each other, case closed."

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:23 pm

I don't need a mirror to shave — I know where my face is by now.

I do use an electric hair-clipper to shave the longer head hairs before using a safety razor. Some Vinaya experts will say that amounts to using scissors, but that misses the point. Its just a tool to make the job of shaving quicker and easier.

:rules: The scissors rule is about not grooming long hair to fashion it like barbers do for lay people.

In Burma, they still use open razors, and some monks shave their own heads with them too, but I prefer a standard safety razor.
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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Coyote » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:30 pm

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Re: How do monks shave?

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Coyote » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:36 pm

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Ben » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:39 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:58 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Ben » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:05 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:13 pm

Lasers.

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby lojong1 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:00 am

the fire method is all over the suttas

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Virgo » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:24 am

When I was a monk, we shaved each others heads. It is a lot easier that way. :)

To shave my face I just used a regular razor slowly and methodically. You can use touch to see if you have missed any spots.

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby James the Giant » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:25 am

Then,
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you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:59 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:01 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: How do monks shave?

Postby Coyote » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:30 am

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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